Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5446 Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
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Dang, she's been coming up with some good ones lately. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
kpeavey wrote:
The power and ability of a human in the realm of mother nature is as a shadow in a dark alley. How we actually survived coming out of the trees I'll never know. Nonetheless, there is Hope. I use it all the time. It, combined with just plain old good luck, is the only reason I'm here today.
Made it up myslef, just came out of my head, not sure how
could be I'm looking for a Gold Star for the day or a pat on the back.
I've been sooooo doomerish lately, could sure use a pickem up.
I ask for nothing in return, except maybe some applause, post my picture now and then, maybe your daughters address...did I mention I own real estate and can grow food? _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
Heineken:
One thing's for sure: by 2012 there will be less oil. Less NG. Less coal. Less topsoil, less potable water, less glacial ice, less forested land, less fish and wildlife, less . . . anything useful. MORE population pressures. MORE heat, drought, flood, and other disaster.
LESS good stuff, MORE bad stuff.
Nothing can stop these trends, apparently. I am still waiting for ANY significant positive developments that are more than hype, propaganda, marketing ploys, or window dressing. _________________ Live simply, love generously, care deeply, and speak kindly.
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass;
It's about learning how to dance in the rain.
Sorry, but you'll never drive a Hummer again. We've hit the peak in oil production, and any additional oil from the OCS or ANWR etc. can, at best, reduce the rate of oil production decline. I suggest you park that Hummer in your backyard and let your kids use it as a playhouse.
Sweet and smooth. Just the way we like them! _________________ Got Dharma?
Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 1004 Location: As close as I can get to the beginning of the pipe.
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
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They did not see or understand the implications of the coming end of the fossil fuel age. They are now buried in misallocated and worthless investments. The multi-generational dynasties of Rockefellers, Warburgs and Rothchilds are crumbling as the energy that built them bleeds its last meager quantities from the ground, and their fiat currencies that provided the chains to humanity break into pieces.
Like cornered animals, once they realize that their plight is dire, they will fight. They will fight the buzzing little pests that spin around them, never realizing its futility; unaware in their hubris, that their true enemy is now the Laws of Nature.
Short on a roll _________________ "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
Joined: Jul 09, 2008 Posts: 16 Location: Hong Kong
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
smallpoxgirl's quote about additions to the SPR doesn't make a lot of sense.
at less than 70,000 barrels a day, out of 20 million per day in the US and 89 million per day globally, additions to the SPR simply do not have an impact on the price of oil.
can't remember now, did congress vote to suspend or not suspend additions to the SPR.....?
Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 1004 Location: As close as I can get to the beginning of the pipe.
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
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"How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?"
KPeavey asks the question _________________ "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 1004 Location: As close as I can get to the beginning of the pipe.
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
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"I don't think demand destruction is going to keep "oil at bay". Demand destruction is the MANIFESTATION of peak oil. That's why I think Campbell's Oil Depletion Protocol is a nice concept but redundant. Every time the price ratchets up, people make individual and household economic decisions that reduce consumption. Declining production will then follow suit. If demand destruction drops below production capacity, then there will be a glut and prices will fall back to damn-near free again. Then demand will go back up. But it will take less time than before to get to the hurtful price, because capacity is diminished. And destruction ensues again. So it won't keep the price held down; it will plummet back down to some ridiculously low price, then as demand comes back it will soar back and we'll talk about restricting speculation and windfall profits again. Wash, rinse, repeat."
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4353 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
Iaato wrote:
The credit machine has failed in response to peak oil, not as causation for economic crisis. Peak oil begets economic contraction begets credit collapse begets demand destruction of wasteful stuff we don't need like Hummers and McMansions and suburbia. Don't make the economists' mistake and think that monetary phenomena drive the real events. Money does not literally make the world go round.
http://www.peakoil.com/post733065.html#733065 _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 1004 Location: As close as I can get to the beginning of the pipe.
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
Keith_McClary wrote:
Relax, it won't be much worse than the GREAT DEPRESSION and nobody died from that, people ate rabbit and gopher stew with turnips and potatoes and carrots and sat around the campfire singing happy songs (I can't think of any examples right now. Maybe if I go to the fridge I will find some inspiration)
Micki wrote:
US population 1929 - 122Million.
You probably need to add mudcakes to the food list.
Micki on mudcakes and roof rabbit _________________ "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
Shannymara wrote:
kpeavey wrote:
I've been sooooo doomerish lately, could sure use a pickem up.
Hang in there.
HEY!! I made it to the front page!
gonna have to check my speling more often _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
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