How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Joined: Aug 10, 2004 Posts: 1104 Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:48 am Post subject:
pip wrote:
The other option was a guy who needed an opinion poll to make a decision.
Again, you demonstrate your ignorance of the facts. Bush put in place steel taxes to get the industrial belt vote. He did the middle-of-the-road stem-cell walk to maximize votes. He hung out with the Governator to get the pro-abortion, anti-religious right vote. He lied about the cost of prescription drug programs to get the old vote.
Bush is an ideology who seems to be focused on (a) fiscal irresponsibility, e.g. running the country into debt; (b) inept wars--Osama got away and Iraq is a mess, what with all the munitions we let get away because we didn't have enough troops.
What are Bush's family values? He spent most of his family years hard drinking, getting money the old fashion way (schmoozing), he found a away to avoid vietnam, and most of his "accomplishments" in Texas have not proven long-standing.
I think that if you don't like what the Republicans are selling, you're in a rapidly shrinking minority. I'd say this applies to 95% of the posters on this website.
You mean xenophobic hatred, religious fundamentalism, environmental disregard, and increased economic oppression? The U.S. is in a pretty sad state of affairs is these are the dominant values of our society.
There was an interesting reportage on BBC news this morning about Karl Rove and how he may have pushed 11 states to put a referendum on gay union on the presidential ballot. Mixing the two issues may have push conservative states to vote for bush biaising the election real question. Nobody is talking about these referendum results anyway!
Joined: Apr 04, 2004 Posts: 577 Location: Western US
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:21 am Post subject:
I can only speak for Utah but this state already votes 70% republican without any gay measures. The people I have talked to voted it down more because of monetary issues such as Social Security and health insurance than because of moral issues. I didn't vote on it at all because I don't think it's any of the governments business and because the monetary issues, specifically Social Security is a ponzi scheme anyway. I'm not particularly homophobic but the sight of two guys doing the public display of affection thing is to me just kinda gross. _________________ You observed it from the start
Now you’re a million miles apart
As we bleed another nation
So you can watch you favorite station
Now you eyes pop out your sockets
Dirty hands and empty pockets
Who? You!
c.o.c.
Joined: Apr 21, 2004 Posts: 508 Location: Republic of Texas
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:43 am Post subject:
pip wrote:
The other option was a guy who needed an opinion poll to make a decision.
I have seen reports from inside the campaign that Kerry staffers had to take his celll phone away in order to get a decision made. It seem Kerry needed to get the input of 100 of his closest friends before he could make even the smallest decision. _________________ The road goes on forever and the party never ends - REK
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