I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. As for "leaving something for your kids" and all that, I work hard for my family. Unfortunately, I don't believe that will be enough in the face of everything that's going to come... sooner than later. You might call me a doomer, but I don't expect to live to see 65. I expect future generations will be much worse off than that. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Don't worry. Personally I think you're doing the right thing. If I mention Peak Oil and some of it's potential disruptive/dire ramifications. Mainly ongoing economic depression. I either get the Im crazy argument or the techno fix everything will be ok argument.
I save less am more generous with people close to me and enjoy the day. If the techno fix comes Im more than happy to continue working and living life. If the recession or worse comes at least I haven't totally missed some of the good life.
By the way "you won't" LMAO thats too funny, I can just imagine the perplexed look on her face. Not to mention the sincerity and conviction of how you delivered your message, Im sure she could sense there was something real behind the comment and that it was not just a flippant or joking remark. _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
By the way "you won't" LMAO thats too funny, I can just imagine the perplexed look on her face. Not to mention the sincerity and conviction of how you delivered your message, Im sure she could sense there was something real behind the comment and that it was not just a flippant or joking remark.
Ditto that! I can just imagine the stunned silence after he swung that axe!
The Us Against Them tone is the baby boomers against their children. The baby boomers want cheap labor, forgetting that their children will be competing against cheap labor for housing and jobs, as well as gasoline and food.
Well, that's fine. I'm not all that worried about myself. I'm going to be a nurse in the emergency room, you will be the patients. Guess how well it's going to go for the boomer patients?
"Nurse Ayoob, this patient needs immediate defibrillation!"
"Right away, doctor!"
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Oh, I guess I'm a little late. Whoops! Would you like The Who to play at your funeral?
And if you don't like it, why don't you get the Mexicans to do the job that I don't want to do.
Let me guess, you're a selfish asshole baby boomer, aren't you.
Funny thing - when Pablo said that (besides laughing my ass off) - I thought GenXer right off the bat. Brutally honest even if it hurts - that's Xers in general - or as my borther likes to say :
"I'm cruel .... but fair."
I noticed the other day that the guy who got in trouble for ridiculing McCain to his face about how 'safe' Bagdad was - is also an Xer (I checked).
Bought time for a little realism and brutal honesty if you ask me.
What a bunch of condescending f___ers you and your family appear to be.
If you all think this girl is such a sack of crap, just tell her to leave instead of playing, "look how us sagacious intelligentsia frown upon this prol."
When did the OP mention anything about a "sack of crap" as you so eloquently put it?
This young lady is potentially becoming a part of the house. You're not exactly going to come out with the end of the world doomsday scenario the minute every person walks in the door.
I listen to inane prattle all the time, it's called respect even if you may think it's grossly wrong. Why cut someone down when you can have a wee chuckle to yourself and hope that in the future with you're respect for their views they might be in a position to consider yours.
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My oldest daughter is in college right now. Wonderful person, smart girl, but not PO-aware. My wife and I have debated telling her, but haven't yet. Thus, in addition to the usual intergenerational barriers to communication, you now have a fundamental difference about what the next 50 years will be like.
Man, I am so thankful that my relationship with my kids isn't so horrible that I can't discuss topics freely with them, and particularly such a critical topic.
You do understand that no one knows the outcome of Peak Oil and how society will adapt right?
I personally have a pessimistic view on the outcome especially 20 years or so down the road. This does not mean Im right it's just my opinion.
It may well be more critical for someones son or daughter for that matter to get laid and have some god damn fun, rather than sit down sessions about Life After The Oil Crash.
Because for all we know it might be better for the kids to go to school and study business or science, have fun *wink* rather than immerse themselves in the potential and impossible to prove outcomes of Peak Oil
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Maybe I'm lucky, maybe not.
Well you sound bitter so first impression I would say not lucky. But hey how the hell do I know you could be one of the luckiest people out there, comes down to a state of mind don't it? Glass half empty or half full.
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Here's my starting point -
1) I never lie to my kids.
2) I admit when I'm wrong.
Well the OP didn't lie to his kids and made no mention of covering up when he/she is wrong. So *shrug*.
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My college daughter is VERY peak aware. We can talk about anything. There is no "intergenerational barrier." To me, that sounds like a fancy phrase that means that your kids think you're lying old idiots who can't be trusted. Even if you like Swing Music and they like rap, that doesn't mean that the principles of life are different. If you raised them close to home and were a part of their lives, you should be able to talk about anything.
What is your daughter studying at college?
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Of course, if you worked 70 hours a week, both spouses, were never around, taught your daughter to be a whore and an idiot, . . . then you can't expect her to take you seriously when you bring up Peak Oil.
Well of course that goes without saying. I don't even know why you mention it. *rolls eyes*
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My daughter is having the problem in college (good school) that there seem to be 2 types of guys . . .
1. Clueless daycare generation types who are immature and think about nothing but drinking and screwing around.
2. Somewhat informed types who are pussified American males.
The only kid she has met who is PO aware and mature is - clinically depressed! There is an irony there.
Amazing isn't it. I find the same thing when I talk to the young men of this generation. There are 2 types of guys...
Seriously go out and talk to some people and you will find a much bigger diversity of opinion than you care to stomach or even contemplate.
And look whos being condescending :D Two 2 types indeed.
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To close, I think it's despicable to keep critical information from your kids.
Read the original post and take a chill pill bro. The posters son knows about Peak Oil and sounds like the kids are hanging out having some fun.
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If you tell your daughter about peak oil and she doesn't get it, or won't believe you, or is such a mental midget that she won't go investigate it herself, then make a note on the calendar . . .
You have totally screwed up as a parent.
Wow. Thats quite a strong statement. I would have thought if the kid ends up on the street, in a bad crowd, using hard drugs, binge drinking, assaulting people and a myrad other things might qualify you as a bad parent. I say might because as you well know you can't control an adults actions.
I see now I've overlooked the gravity of children NOT becoming Peak Oil aware and the associated total failure as a parent.
Have a nice day. _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
Gideon wins the asshole of the thread award for this one; in my not-so-humble opinion.
Second that.
The OP was a JOKE people - it was meant to highlight the diffs between young and old, PO-aware and PO-clueless. It was NOT a symposium on child raising.
Lots of axes to grind here. Let me tell the gen X and Yers a little story. I was talking to a friend who is in her early sixties. You know what her parents left her, and will leave her? Sure she'll get a bit of an inheritance, but they both actively discouraged her from getting an education. She had to really fight to go to university.Her dad also whipped her for any minor indiscretion, from early childhood. The emotional scars are still quite evident, as she seems robbed of the ability to experience unadulterated joy.
She describes her life in terms of survival, but always follows through with the emphasis on social ignorance as being the prime influence. Her father was beaten with a horse whip, by his father, and her grandfather with a cat of nine tails, by his father.
I can attest to the fact that this is true, from my own family experience. My mother had a very close relationship with her sweet grandfather. She was horrified to discover, later in life, from her mother, that that same kindly old man would horsewhip his own children to punish them, when they were teenagers. This was the norm, though.
Doesn't make the baby boomers seem so bad, does it? Try to keep perspective. Parents who merely chortle at their kid's ignorance and lack of respect are remarkably restrained, considering how few generations separate them from the barbaric parenting practices of their parents or grandparents. Our parents would have beaten some of us to within an inch of our lives, if we dared to contradict or question them.
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<leaves mumbling something about old modes of thinking not solving our new problems> _________________ It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
It was just a story. I kind of liked the fact he put down the 20 year old without anybody noticing. I liked the story....whats the big deal? Can't people just tell a story without the micro analysis of every little detail.......for crying out loud...
And , I dont know, I'm not a parent, but if i were, I dont think I would want some dude on a doomsday peak oil message board telling me what how I should raise my kid(s)
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