Who is seriously trying to get out of Dodge?

NEOPO

We are...

In august we plan to visit an ecovillage to see if its right for us and we for it yet I have a very good feeling about it and would not be going just to say hi although I am sure it will be a learning experience regardless.

We tried to pull family and friends together using the truths concerning PO, War and Climate Change to prove the point yet ultimately that failed.

Who better to do this with then people who are already doing it and many of them without the motivating fear of Post peak ramifications.

I never feared for myself and mine as we are a hardy bunch but I do worry for the others yet ultimately we all make our beds.
Ours will just be made with straw bales and maybe some old tires!
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SoothSayer

We made the move to semi-rural about 5 years ago ... but just a house without land.

However we have now just bought 4 agricultural acres about 1 mile away.

We were lucky to get that as almost all rural land in the UK is now bought by the "pony set" or by "land banks" for investment.

We cannot legally live on the land .. but if the SHTF that's of course what we will do!

The land is hidden away behind other fields which might help hide us from "drive by" your-food-is-my-food types.
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underdressed

I'm not even trying to get out, yet. The primary reason is that I'm divorced and my daughter's with the ex-wife. She's not going anywhere, so I'm here in the wasteland until TSHTF or the girl reaches eighteen. (She just turned fifteen, so I'm not sure which will be first.)

Even if it were different, I ask myself which is worse: (1) in the chaos where everyone's leaving inhabitable land or (2) in the chaos where everyone's arriving at habitable land. This doesn't even take into account the Fed doing crazy things during the crash -- for example, the use of eminent domain to secure agriculturally productive land for the rich. . . I mean, the people.

Imagine you're cooperating on a farm and a flood of sheeple come from the suburbs: do you lock out everyone or do you allow those with usable skills to stay? If it's the later, I'll stay. If it's the former, I'll trade a bit and move on.

I know I can live that life, so I don't worry about it. I've taught my girl a bit, but she hasn't had to experience it first hand, yet. It 'll be tough for her, though not as bad as for those who'll be surprised by the obvious.

Chaparral

pstarr

I think thuja is really talking about suburbia (or exurbia) and all it's attendent ills. White flight drove people from the cities to the country, and the road builders and real estate industry followed, turning the country into 'city-lite' our dismal american suburbs.

I have friends who live on 5-20 acre "ranches" carved out of grazing or abused and degraded timberlands who really believe they are living 'on the land.' they drive toyota forrunners because those are slightly groovey and they do their shopping in town and maybe hunt occasionally or grow a little pot and think of themselves as pioneers.

They use far more energy and gasoline then their city or suburban equivalents.

These exurbans will the be the first to come crawling back to the city come peak.
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kochevnik · Intermediate Crude Joined: Aug 20, 2004 Posts: 881

Most people aren't getting out of Dodge because they need a (decent) job. Pstarr you of all people should have that on the list Smile

The Hemenway article was very good - I have been arguing that in the event of PO slide, a lot of ruralistas (Like that term) would be heading for the cities - looking for any work they could find. Of all people I would have thought that I would be one of the last to consider this, but I have to admit, in taking a brutally honest look at how few things anyone can produce on their own, it's making a much deeper impression on me.

I think the consensus opinion idea here of the pretty big college town is the way to go - altho if there is a crash, I don't think a lot of people will be sending their little darlings to college anymore either.

Ludi

Been out of Dodge for a few years now...
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keehah · Last edited by keehah on Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:55 pm; edited 2 times in total

I am but I'm stuck in transition. Have a house in a close secure still natural neighborhood on Van Isle (weekend retreat I feel much more alive at), but it has not enough sun for vegetable gardening. Until I can be more productive in any new life, I still come back to the big smoke for weekly work even though I have no interest in the work and am increasingly alienated from the craziness of this city including its just now topping housing boom and madly concreting everything for the 2010 Illuminati party.

I feel like a monkey in "Faustus and the Monkey Trap," still clutching on to the system with my old job thus continuing to contribute to all our problems and slowing transition to my new life with my participation in the system.

pstarr

Wednesday

Poll needs an "already left" option.

The rednecks are not all that scary once you learn their names.

The bears still give me a cause for concern.

bshirt · Heavy Crude Joined: Dec 23, 2006 Posts: 446

I've been out for a year. Heavy, heavy duty work getting the solar greenhouse built and operational, cistern repaired and piped, installing a used (cheap....$400) wood/coal burning boiler, etc, etc.

I miss the big cities like another hole in the head.