Don’t worry, just a little bump - $70 is just around the corner. Short traders just keep making those margin calls, mortgage the house if you have to. Fortunes await you! PO is for pansies and doomers. At $70 short some more ..... it is going back to $22 .... the world is awash with oil ........ reality has nothing to do with it, its all in those charts!!!!!!!!!!
In summer, install that smaller firebox and use the small feed door to make it an efficient cookstove that doesn't overheat the house so badly. (It'll go in the summer kitchen then.)
Yeah, I can cook with less FIRE in summer, if instead of the fire being 2 feet below the cook top, I put the fire 8" under the cook top. That's what the smaller, relocated cooking firebox is for, to get the fire up close to the food. So, instead of building enough fire to heat a church, I only need a small one, with 1" square sticks a foot long, instead of logs the size of my leg.
Antique cast iron cooking ranges did that. Breakfast was usually cooked on a fire made of corncobs, one of which had been dunked in a mason jar of kerosene to start it. The firebox was typically about 6" wide x 8" tall x 16" long, and placed directly under the cook top. The draft pattern went sideways under the cook top toward the stovepipe outlet, giving a gradation to lower heat as you moved a pan further away from the fire. Very convenient for cooking-infinite heat control. These still overheated the house in summer, but nowhere near what a heating stove does. My wife and I used one of these for 13 years, and loved it.
Your safety concerns are appropriate, but I've built and used my own stoves for 30+ years and understand the issues. This stove will go in our "summer kitchen/sunporch", an ALL masonry affair with a metal roof, and heat shield over the stove to protect the ceiling. We don't have zoning in this county, and the building codes are superceded by the Indiana Homestead Act, that says if I do it myself, I can do what I damned well please. I don't have a mortgage, so there is no bank concerned here, and I recently told the insurance guy to take a hike, because his rates were outrageous. So, I'm going to do it, and devil take the hindmost. I plan to cook, eat, stay warm, and do it with the least possible effort, on an affordable basis. I'm in business, and I don't intend to sell this to anyone, because I understand liability. I'll try to get some pictures when I get it done.
Spent most of my life doing stuff people told me wasn't possible. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
I've heated with wood for 50+ years and built couple dozen log splitters, a couple bandsaw mills, several wood-hauling trailers, some log truck beds, and hydraulic log turners for circular saw mills. Built two gas fired heat treat ovens and an aluminum melt furnace for myself. (Gun-fired oil, about 30 lbs/hr capacity.) A friend and I built a tiny forced air backpacker's stove that will burn solid fuel found in the wild, boils a pint of water in under 2 minutes, and fits in a coat pocket.
Lost count of how many blacksmith forges I've built in the last 40 years. At my day job, I did design work on steel sintering furnaces, a resin impregnating oven, copper-brazing furnaces, integrated circuit chip diffusion furnaces, some work on silicon crystal growers(2588 deg F.), open hearth aluminum melt furnaces, and countless solder pots and wave-solder tanks for production soldering of circuit boards. I don't guess ultrasonic welding or scrub wire bonding fits directly here, but they get hot too. Designed a couple aluminum holding funaces for automatic permanent molding machines, and controlled atmosphere preheaters for the nickel iron inserts in diesel engine pistons.
In 30 years at this, I've never had anything catch fire that wasn't supposed to, nor did anyone ever get hurt on anything I designed or built. UL standards are pretty minimal compared to industrial standards. I think I can design and build (another) wood stove.
Hmm. This may get me nominated for fossil fuel addict of the year... _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Yeah, I can cook with less FIRE in summer, if instead of the fire being 2 feet below the cook top, I put the fire 8" under the cook top. That's what the smaller, relocated cooking firebox is for, to get the fire up close to the food. So, instead of building enough fire to heat a church, I only need a small one, with 1" square sticks a foot long, instead of logs the size of my leg.
Antique cast iron cooking ranges did that. Breakfast was usually cooked on a fire made of corncobs, one of which had been dunked in a mason jar of kerosene to start it. The firebox was typically about 6" wide x 8" tall x 16" long, and placed directly under the cook top. The draft pattern went sideways under the cook top toward the stovepipe outlet, giving a gradation to lower heat as you moved a pan further away from the fire. Very convenient for cooking-infinite heat control. These still overheated the house in summer, but nowhere near what a heating stove does. My wife and I used one of these for 13 years, and loved it.
Your safety concerns are appropriate, but I've built and used my own stoves for 30+ years and understand the issues. This stove will go in our "summer kitchen/sunporch", an ALL masonry affair with a metal roof, and heat shield over the stove to protect the ceiling. We don't have zoning in this county, and the building codes are superceded by the Indiana Homestead Act, that says if I do it myself, I can do what I damned well please. I don't have a mortgage, so there is no bank concerned here, and I recently told the insurance guy to take a hike, because his rates were outrageous. So, I'm going to do it, and devil take the hindmost. I plan to cook, eat, stay warm, and do it with the least possible effort, on an affordable basis. I'm in business, and I don't intend to sell this to anyone, because I understand liability. I'll try to get some pictures when I get it done.
Spent most of my life doing stuff people told me wasn't possible.
+1 What he said. (your second post is just as good)
The only problem I have with our wood stove is that our house is so well insulated, that unless the temperature is really cold outside it gets too warm in the house. Therefore in the spring we have to use natural gas. _________________ Appuis ait fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae.
Alias Redneck
Our house is fairly efficient as well, and we seek ways to keep heat out in the summer. So in the spring, summer, and fall, we make use of our two different types of solar ovens.
Parabolic cooker
Oven-style cooker with electric backup (good on partly cloudy days)
skyemoor,
My daughter and son in law are working on solar cookers and windmills. I've been assigned to make woodstoves for the crowd, and do the solar PV rigs, but I want to try the solar cookers, too. Son in law says it needs a glass cover of some kind to reduce heat loss on windy days, but seems to work okay. We're learning here. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Heat - Wood (was Wood Stoves)
Wow! Thanks Ludi, that's a great link! I had found the rocket stove, hadn't seen any of the cookers. The whole family will pursue this. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Anyone here heard of the Harman Oakwood Cast Iron Woodstove? My concern is that it might be overkill for my modern tight home. It will be 1,800 sq. ft. and this thing puts out 11,000 to 42,000 btus.
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Top loading makes adding wood easier and allows the Oakwood to hold more wood than other stoves of the same size. The Oakwood can hold over 40 pounds of cordwood on a three-inch charcoal bed which makes burn times of 12 to 16 hours a reality.
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The Oakwood's optional cooking grill allows you to grill your favorite meats and vegetables without altering your home's air quality. This stainless steel grill is easy to remove and clean.
sounds too good to be true. I've contracted an owner and he is really enthused. Want if for our new home. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Heat - Wood (was Wood Stoves)
pstarr,
Haven't seen this one before, but at 480 lbs (?) that's a hefty stove! Be sure to frame adequately under it. The only caveat that I know of for top loaders, is be sure to have the draft controls open when loading wood, to reduce smoke being let into the room, and get a pair of long gauntlet welding gloves for loading, and a good hook style poker for helping position the logs, because you will be sticking your hands in directly above the fire.
Not as bad as it sounds, though, and top loaders can be really efficient since it allows good placement of the intake air. The ash pan indicates that it has a grate to let ashes fall through, which is a mixed blessing. It also lets coals fall through when they get small enough, so you will find coals in with the ashes, and it is a little harder to start a fire over a grate, since fast burning kindling can fall through too.
The good part of that is, the ash pan deals effectively with the main problem of top loaders, which is how you clean it out. The old ones required you to have a dipper of some sort to take ashes out the top, and of course, you had to let the fire die down to keep from getting scorched doing it. The ash pan makes it easy.
Sounds pretty good. I'd like to see one going before I buy it, but that's true of any stove. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Heat - Wood (was Wood Stoves)
thanks for the review patience. This'll be my first stove and will not be the main source of heating, but rather backup. It's going on a concrete pad on grade with hydronic coils in it. That'll be fired by a small condensing boiler.
I'll fire this Harmon up during those big Pacific storms and when I want an indoor bbq _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Heat - Wood (was Wood Stoves)
Another bump for work reading _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
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