Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
It's a Fark' mean place to live now. I was seriously considering moving back when my biz folded. Even had the plane ticket bought. You can get around by bus, bike, being homeless still you won't freeze, but the place/people are just farking MEAN.
I decided if I had to do that, I'd rather be back in the SF Bay Area, put "stuff" in a storage that's my base, get around by bike, and make money everyday at the farmer's markets. Far far better then finding out the Aloha Flea Market and Waikiki Strip don't want another "Fark' Haole" horning in on their caricatures/street music scene.
But if you're really curious about it, go ahead and give it a go. I did in 2003 and lasted 4 months.
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
Depends upon if the natives give the military any crap or not. Or if the military just decides to set up camp there and have a little Pacific Empire. In which case just hope you don't have anything they want .
Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 3978 Location: In a van down by the river
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
Hawaii could get really dicey fast. The biggest problem is that no one is prepared for what is coming. They could be without power in hurry if we see oil go to 150.
We are headed for a global depression that will take tourism way down, the Hawaiian economy is built on it. When the hotels cut back and layoff their will be lots of angry locals their.
And unfortunately they do love cars over their way too much. I could see it getting very rough with new local gangs forming.
Joined: Mar 05, 2006 Posts: 420 Location: East edge of the Milky Way
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
RedStateGreen wrote:
Seems like any island would be iffy, assuming the whole ocean-rising business happens.
Yes, good point. Tuvalu is already experiencing this. At it's highest it is only 2 meters above sea level...' Tuvalu is sinkin' man and I don't wanna swim'...
Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Hong Kong
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
I_Like_Plants wrote:
The Big Island's a bit different, in that there's a sizeable population of whites and they're not utterly in the dark about who their ultimate enemy is (nonwhites). However, the island's overpopulated, it's not as good for growing stuff or fishing as Oahu (it's a younger island) and it'd be right back to old Polynesian history, with one hungry island sending a bunch of warriors over to another to kill and bring back groceries.
If you are brown-skinned, it could be a good place to be, since you'll be with the majority. And frankly, whites aren't built to live there. The sun's farking strong. A white can be out in the sun all day in say the San Francisco area and be fairly much ok, but in Hawaii, man, you need a lot of melanin to cope with it. Asians can cope pretty well because they can get very dark. I'm part Injun and actually get dark, but I'm just not in the league you have to be in to survive there. ... To make it there even now, you have to be seriously into being isolated, into growing stuff (no not THAT stuff, just food) and used to shopping by mail. Some do it, and love it. ... I just don't consider it a good place to bug out, but then I can't think of anyplace that's really good - we humans are going to do the dieoff the hard way, migrating all over the place and stripping the earth as we go, I'm afraid.
My experience living in Hawaii, and the experiences of people I've met that lived in Hawaii, are remarkably different from what Plants has written. I lived on the windward side of Oahu (location means a lot when you're talking about racism) for a summer between semesters at university.
I found the locals to be very friendly and hospitable. I got a job at the 7-11 in the town next to where I lived. I made friends with everybody, natives, Asians and Haoles alike. Our neighbors used to bring my friend and I fish, and we traded betel nuts for pot.
I hitchhiked everywhere. Not only was it easy to get a ride, more often than not the driver would give me a soda or a beer. One time while hitching to Waikiki from Sandy Beach - probably one of the most dangerous roads in the country - the driver lit up a spliff, opened up a 12 pack and we had ourselves a time.
I never had a problem with racism, not even when I went bodyboarding on the Wainae side, supposedly the worst place for a Haole to catch a beating.
It may have something to do with my skin color. I'm half Sicilian, and I get very dark in the summer. To the locals, I probably looked more like a Latino than Thurston Howard III from the Hamptons. (I'm not sure what the locals think about Latinos, actually.)
Also, as soon as my friend and I arrived, we went local. I cut off some old trousers, grew my hair out and walked around in no shirt and flip flops.
The only argument I got into was with another white guy. _________________ "We shall live in interesting times, and we shall die in them too." - Heineken
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
FreakOil - I lived on the windward side of Oahu (location means a lot when you're talking about racism) for a summer between semesters at university.
Plants - You probably actually associated with the locals very little, probably drove a car, etc.
FreakOil - I never had a problem with racism, not even when I went bodyboarding on the Wainae side, supposedly the worst place for a Haole to catch a beating. It may have something to do with my skin color. I'm half Sicilian, and I get very dark in the summer. To the locals, I probably looked more like a Latino than Thurston Howard III from the Hamptons. (I'm not sure what the locals think about Latinos, actually.)
Plants - BINGO! I've seen people who talk like, pure Boston accents etc., get along GREAT there because they had the right skin color. And people with the wrong skin color who've lived there for generations grow up getting beat up, catching crap their whole lives. The Hawaiians aren't really sure what a Hispanic is, all they know is, they look about like them so they're OK.
FreakOil - The only argument I got into was with another white guy.
Plants - well at least you got with the program. That white guy was probably much lighter in skin color than you, so while you considered him "about the same" as you, over there (and soon on the US mainland) he's the Enemy. Basically all the groups hate each other, I see Oahu as what the Mainland US will be in 10-20 years.
Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Hong Kong
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
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Plants - You probably actually associated with the locals very little, probably drove a car, etc.
No, I rode the bus and hitchhiked. They have an excellent bus system compared to the mainland, but it doesn't run very often. I lived in the same house with locals, worked in a 7-11 with locals, traded with them, bodyboarded with them, drank beer with them, smoked weed with them, etc. I had more friends there, mostly local, than in any single location that I ever lived in.
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Plants - BINGO! I've seen people who talk like, pure Boston accents etc., get along GREAT there because they had the right skin color. And people with the wrong skin color who've lived there for generations grow up getting beat up, catching crap their whole lives. The Hawaiians aren't really sure what a Hispanic is, all they know is, they look about like them so they're OK.
One guy I worked with in university, a Haole, grew up in Hawaii and planned to move back after graduation. Not only was he not harassed, he said, he was inducted into the local surf gang. (I'm not sure what it's called, but they have a very distinctive tattoo. You've probably seen it.)
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Plants - well at least you got with the program. That white guy was probably much lighter in skin color than you, so while you considered him "about the same" as you, over there (and soon on the US mainland) he's the Enemy. Basically all the groups hate each other, I see Oahu as what the Mainland US will be in 10-20 years.
I knew the guy quite well. He lived in the town where I worked. He ran with a gang of locals. _________________ "We shall live in interesting times, and we shall die in them too." - Heineken
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
The few fellow Whites I've known who got along over there were either fairly dark-skinned, or large and good in a fight, or both. I'm not that large, so the way I got treated, my life's dream would be to cleanse that place of everyone who's not White.
The bus system over there IS good, out on the windward side it's only once an hour, but still, it's really good.
I love public transpo! Once I have my sketching skills well-proven and my music skills also, I want to move back to the Bay Area and esp. San Francisco, which has militant White Irish gangs and is becoming Whiter gradually, and it's possible to get around very well without having to be chained to a car. I'll probably do something like, trade my small motorbike for a car or sell it, somehow acquire a decent thrifty car, then drive back to the BA in that, get my stuff into a storage and establish that I can make a decent living, then sell the car.
Hawaii is nice for now but it will be really ugly when the ships and planes stop.
Joined: Mar 05, 2006 Posts: 420 Location: East edge of the Milky Way
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
I Like Plants, I'm really dismayed to hear about the entrenched racism there. Certainly not something found in the travel brochures. Can you recommend a book or two on the subject or possibly a website that might shed some light on the situation there. I'm rather interested to learn more. I guess I've been sold the "hollywood' version of Hawaii. If you have any other personal insights you'd wish to share, I'd be curious to hear them.
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
Hawaii lives on tourism, whether short-term, the ppl going there for 3 days or 2 weeks or whatever, or long-term by which I mean retirees going there to live until they die (often not long!).
They've turned their back on being self-sufficient in farming, milk, beef, and chicken raising. They hate the military and have turned down military buildup. They've turned their backs on everything by tourism. And if you do that, you don't want to talk about how much you really hate Whitey.
It's very hard to find the real scoop. Look around on the internet for terms like "hawaii, haole, racism" etc. You'll find it.
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
The military areas are the nicest areas there. We stayed at the Schofield Sands for a while between houses and my little sis's and I were amazed, loved the place, being around White people, we'd ask 'em to open our sodas for us (bottle caps) and they'd do it, they'd say Hi to us, we're these little kids right? Bullying material. but these fellow Whites were nice to us. The most ignorant hick on one of the bases there has a better education than all but the most elite (punahou) school in Hawaii and is fairly smart on the scale of things because they had to pass the ASVAB.
And they're far nicer than local Hawaii people. I was blown away, serving in the army there, fellow Whites say Hi to you, it's Fark' great.
Ever wonder if maybe Hawaii people are considered scum because by and large they are? There ARE plenty of nice ones, sure, but they're stingy, mean, hate whoever's in the other group, etc.
I'll live around good ol' Southern types any time.
Damn, there's a thought - you see, I've decided trumpet's just too damn much work, and too much time to gain range, so I'm learning clarinet. And a damn fine instrument it is too. And, one thing I'm thinking, is to "jazz" it up for street playing by decorating it with those really thin stickers for model cars - well, I was thinking flames but the stars'n'bars ought to go on there fine too hehe. _________________ -under construction-
Joined: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 1212 Location: western Wisconsin
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: How will Hawaii fare?
We have friends that live on the big island and have for a couple of years. They have a small PV system for lights and radio, collect and use rainwater, eat as much local fruit as possible (much from their own land), and love it there. They are artists and sell/trade at flea markets. They think its a great place to live and work. But they have always seemed to get along very well will most kinds of people.
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: Hawaii signing in
Gettin scary out here guys. Been lurking for awhile now but with gas hitting $4.00/gal on Oahu today I figured I'd join in on the discussion. I'm pulling up a chair...
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