Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: Re: New relationships for a peaker mindset
Some women will reward a man for honesty.
Some women say they will reward a man for honesty.
The proof is in the pudding.
If your attempt at honesty is sincere and you get dumped for it ... "Next!"
Besides, "honesty" and "the realities of energy depletion" are as different as "bat guano you use to fertilize your orchids" and "devastating, enduring crap-storm".
You will not likely get rewarded for PO-style honesty. Which is good, because she wasn't going to be able to handle the reality, anyway.
Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: Re: New relationships for a peaker mindset
Evltre wrote:
What_Went_Wrong wrote:
I never even considered just coming out with it like that in a personal ad. What have I got to lose right?
Hmmm just need something catchy for the ad.
'Doomer seeks women for apocalyptic times. Must have GSOH and be able to wash cloths by hand.'
Maybe not...
Edit the bit about the washing of the clothes and you might have a bit more luck How about "I will wash YOUR clothes by hand". They'll be banging down your door!
HAHA yeah no doubt I was only messing, infact I am pretty good with the housework, the last 2 gf's I had were slobs compared to me (I like a well organized environment, I find I can think and relax better that way)
I find that the sort of women I'm attracted to does really appreciate honesty, but they do seem to be in short supply, but I suspect that's because you will not find these kinda women while in a pub or nightclub. (or if they are there, then they are to drunk to spot )
BTW thanks ludi, that was a good link to read.
@ cestlavie: Yeah that is infact true. There are women out there who just appreciate nature and looking after the environment. If I met someone with that kind of mind set, then it's not really that important she understands peak oil right away.
It's interesting to see that only one poster in this thread so far thinks that we might be better off alone, for some reason I was expecting more in that mindset.
As always, thanks for reading and responding everyone.
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: New relationships for a peaker mindset
What_Went_Wrong wrote:
So what now? well here is my problem. I don't think I could form a relationship based on trust and honesty (the only kind i'll do) without telling them about my plans for peak oil fairly soon into it. I mean, it affects everything I do and think about, especially now. Problem is, not many girls will stick around after they see you are a doomer (or crazy, in their eyes) wasting all this time and effort preparing for whats to come. I mean, I would hold off on talking about it for a while but a hardened doomer like me believes there is no time.
Or, I could wait for the crash to kick in, and take my pick from all the women looking for someone to lead them to safety (natural section could be fun for the prepared after all), hell maybe I can get more then one at a time that way Seriously though, I really wish I had a partner already who would have known me long enough to forgive my 'crazy' ramblings. I fear I'll be fighting, and maybe dieing, alone, at a fairly young age.
Not so, What Went Wrong. I just spent a couple of days in a yurt (5 women and 5 dogs), and a main topic of discussion was peak oil and how to deal with it. Friends who have listened patiently to me for years about peak oil are now actively engaging in the conversation. Now is the time to find women who may have been uninformed about peak oil, but are now awakening to it and actively engaged in changing things. The other four women on this trip were all intelligent and gorgeous, and two were single, by the way. They're out there if you look.
I'm going to call bullshit on the "women looking for someone to lead them to safety." You really want an anchor like that during an era of serious change? Do you want a partner or do you want a bimbo? Women who are peak oil aware currently are simply not the clingy dependent types. If you want a peak oil aware partner, you're not going to find them at the singles bar. And you'll have to put up with someone who is probably intelligent, strong-willed, and not easy to push around. Virgin Crude is absolutely right that women like that will only accept honesty, and can smell bullshit a mile away. Senor Savinar is right, though. You don't need to present yourself as a doomer at the far end of the continuum if you want to attract the stable ones.
I've been Peak Oil aware since about 1970 (51/F). My husband of ~30 years has been patiently tolerant of my peak oil rants which have become increasingly strident and prolific. But it is only in the past 6 months that he has totally swallowed the Kool-Aid. He sees the changes in the economy, and the changes in energy supply, and they match everything I've been saying. It's a huge relief to me to see him as a complete partner in this. It's interesting to watch his transition. He went to a seminar in Charlottesville last week (Brookings Institution), and could not relate to any of the speakers or the attendees. I had to laugh to hear the familiar words out of his mouth, "I felt like I was on another planet." I think he tried a couple of feeble forays into Peak Oil while everyone else was talking about the Jetson jet-pack future, but no one even knew what Peak Oil was. Most of the discussion centered around the future of globalization, and the future of the American empire. One author alluded to parallels with Rome, but suggested that Nero was decades off. And this was from elite business authors and our senior government leadership. The thing he took away from that meeting was a new resolve to get the region actively teleconferencing as a starting point in working on sustainable function.
What I'm seeing right now is that all of my open-minded, intelligent friends are starting to believe me and openly discuss the changes needed in our society. Open-minded intelligent people are in a minority in the US right now, but they're out there. Be honest, be yourself, DON'T be gloomy, and you'll get the girl.
Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 434 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: New relationships for a peaker mindset
^^^^^^^^^^ WHAT SHE SAID
I couldn't put it better myself
Word of advice: If you can (i.e. you're a younger man or woman (late teens, early 20's, at university/college, etc and you're a peaker), find a scout around your age. You won't in most cases find a more honest, understanding, usually quite intelligent girlfriend/boyfriend/ potential future partner, than a scout. The bonus is they already know bushcraft/ how to live with the minimum, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc, you get the idea
I did :D. Best thing i've ever done in my life. But then i've never really been a "screw everything with two legs and a skirt that moves" kind of guy. She keeps telling me "you're not like all the others". Still don't know quite what to think about that......
P.S.
If you do slip up one night and go all "doomerish" and maybe other personal stuff as well, if she's still there and loving you at the end, and actually listened to even a little of what you said, even if some of it is just plain unrelated shite, then:
(1) Do not let her go. Love her, squeeze her, hug her, TALK TO HER and especially, be on the level and honest with her.
(2)
Don't f**k up again. And enjoy the global consumerism party while it lasts, while running small preparation tasks in the background if you can, if she wants in, let her. _________________ "That the cream cannot help but always rise up to the top, well I say, <censored by peakoil.com> floats"
Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 591 Location: St.Albert, AB
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: New relationships for a peaker mindset
I'm 18 years old and I'm currently in Economics. There are about 3 girls for every guy and its STILL hard to find a girl. If you're interested in Peak Oil, Climate Change or anything other then Beer & Boobs, you're a nerd/weirdo/crazy person in the eyes of most decent looking girls. At least when you're older you're allowed to be intelligent and smart, since its considered more acceptable, but when you're my age, reading Noam Chomsky or Mathew Simmons is a taboo beyond all others. My conclusion: I WISH I NEVER KNEW ABOUT PEAK OIL FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE SO I COULD ACTUALLY BE AN 18 YR OLD FOR JUST A COUPLE MONTHS INSTEAD OF CONSTANTLY THINKING ABOUT COLLAPSE GHAHHHHHHH!!!!!
Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 434 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: New relationships for a peaker mindset
Opies wrote:
people and sheep dont have very good chemistry
I'm not quite sure if that was meant for me or the thread in general Opies?
Either way, very true sir, very true :D _________________ "That the cream cannot help but always rise up to the top, well I say, <censored by peakoil.com> floats"
Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 434 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: New relationships for a peaker mindset
Nicholai wrote:
I'm 18 years old and I'm currently in Economics. There are about 3 girls for every guy and its STILL hard to find a girl. If you're interested in Peak Oil, Climate Change or anything other then Beer & Boobs, you're a nerd/weirdo/crazy person in the eyes of most decent looking girls. At least when you're older you're allowed to be intelligent and smart, since its considered more acceptable, but when you're my age, reading Noam Chomsky or Mathew Simmons is a taboo beyond all others. My conclusion: I WISH I NEVER KNEW ABOUT PEAK OIL FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE SO I COULD ACTUALLY BE AN 18 YR OLD FOR JUST A COUPLE MONTHS INSTEAD OF CONSTANTLY THINKING ABOUT COLLAPSE GHAHHHHHHH!!!!!
I needed to vent. Many thanks.
Ok, the best thing you can do is to do as i said above, and STFU about it when you're around the object of your affection (unless she's actually interested and wishes to know OR already knows about it), her friends, her family, etc. Also, understand that there isn't too much you can do about whats coming, and learn to enjoy whats left of the party while it's still going strong _________________ "That the cream cannot help but always rise up to the top, well I say, <censored by peakoil.com> floats"
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How about "I will wash YOUR clothes by hand". They'll be banging down your door!
I was only messing, infact I am pretty good with the housework, the last 2 gf's I had were slobs compared to me (I like a well organized environment, I find I can think and relax better that way)
