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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
"I've always favoured the idea that we will have a soft landing. But I'm afraid it looks less and less soft every time I look at it."
It was this thinking that got me booted off ROE2 years ago with RW. He believed in a nice easy cruise down the back side of Hubbert's peak...local food...everyone pulling on the rope at the same time...pray to a god mindset.
Joined: Aug 26, 2005 Posts: 1008 Location: "Mad as Hell !"
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
Troyboy1208 wrote:
This is terrifying stuff!! Im going to go watch "Day after Tomorrow".
Why watch it? Wait around long enough and you can be a character in your own reality made climate change movie! _________________ The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
WTF?
What happened?
Last time I looked this was a PeakOil site?
We used to ridicule CERA for their optimistic views on oil availability.
Suddenly the IPCC come out with even more optimistic views, stating that we will have all the oil and gas we wish for another hundred years. CERA was content with 35 years.
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
Heineken wrote:
A critical point, dohboi. The human perception of time warps the human interpretation of this problem, and of so many others that are sweeping away the living, healthy earth at a pace that is by planetary standards dizzying.
So how come we can see it?
Thats a rhetorical question, I don't really think it has an answer.
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
MacG wrote:
Will oil and gas last forever as the IPCC says? Or will we run out as ASPO says?
In case the ASPO is right - enjoy your DrPepper. As long as you can get it.
We also have coal and biomass. After peak oil I think we (globally, not only Scandinavia) will use more coal, peat, wood and other plants, thus increasing the level of carbon dioxide further.
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
leal wrote:
MacG wrote:
Will oil and gas last forever as the IPCC says? Or will we run out as ASPO says?
In case the ASPO is right - enjoy your DrPepper. As long as you can get it.
We also have coal and biomass. After peak oil I think we (globally, not only Scandinavia) will use more coal, peat, wood and other plants, thus increasing the level of carbon dioxide further.
That's your own invention, based on some pretty wild assumptions. The IPCC says that oil and gas will be sufficient for exponential increase for at least a hundred years to come. Where does the IPCC write about coal and peat as replacements for oil and gas?
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
When our family lived in Belgium, and there were outdoor festivals in the winter time, there was horse (I presume) dung being burned in special metal containers. Does that put more CO2 in the air?
I imagine that to sustain ourselves in years to come, we will be looking back (burning peat and dung) and looking at modern technologies (wind, solar, etc...). Global warming is already here....scientists say that we really can't put the brakes on it....
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6475 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
Grifter wrote:
Heineken wrote:
A critical point, dohboi. The human perception of time warps the human interpretation of this problem, and of so many others that are sweeping away the living, healthy earth at a pace that is by planetary standards dizzying.
So how come we can see it?
Thats a rhetorical question, I don't really think it has an answer.
It's an interesting question, rhetorical or not, Grifter.
I think some of us see it, but not enough of us see it. Alternatively, individuals can see it, but not the herd. And when the herd finally does see it, the herd is already falling over the cliff.
Finally, some see it but either choose to do nothing about it or are unable to. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
Heineken wrote:
Finally, some see it but either choose to do nothing about it or are unable to.
Indeed what could be done about the human predicament? There are only a few in the world who are outspoken against the near universal clamour for greater growth and more people.
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
Grifter wrote:
So how come we can see it?
Of course many can see the predicament we are in, even put two and two together and accept the logic of the thing. The reason they are less than enthusiastic is because the crisis of peak oil does not loom large in their horizon yet. There is no oil shortage, prices although climbing are still acceptable, and so they turn their attention to more immediate, mundane concerns. Humans are hard-wired to discount the future in this way. When they have been alerted by incessant media coverage, (probably as a result of some great crisis), of the problem in the way climate change has, then we'll know peak oil has been.
Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 434 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predict
Tyler_JC wrote:
The ocean takes a long time to warm up.
Water surface temperatures are important to note for evaporation and cloud-making purposes. But it is the deep sea water temperatures that need to increase drastically in order to get the world's supply of methane hydrates to bubble up and create fireballs that will "tear across the sky".
No, all you need is a frazzled and desperate Exxon-Mobil and a drilling rig or twenty.
_________________ EntropyFails
"Little prigs and three-quarter madmen may have the conceit that the laws of nature are constantly broken for their sakes." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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