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stu News Editor


Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 2500 Location: Ye Olde Englande
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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About time.
http://www.independent.co.uk/ _________________ "The age of excess is over. The age of entropy has begun" |
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BrownDog Heavy Crude


Joined: May 24, 2005 Posts: 272 Location: N. TX
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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| I agree that it's about time. However, a while back I would have thought that such an event might mean that PO would get wider attention. Now, I have more of a wait-and-see attitude. We'll see... |
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FishAreBest Tar Sands


Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 64 Location: Little Blighty on the Down
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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It has been discussed on Radio 4 (UK, national radio station, similar to US NPR, but better funded) a lot recently.
Yesterday's "You and Yours" (consumer affairs type program) there was a long feature on "Transition Towns" which mentioned peak oil several times.
Today's "Today Programme" (morning news) had a feature on it. Says peak in 4 years and effectively run out in 40. |
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Smudger Heavy Crude


Joined: Apr 05, 2007 Posts: 155 Location: Great Britain
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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| its good its on. the indie does try and put a global climate/resource issue on its front page every two weeks or so. normally its is to do with climate change. i suspect it wont be long before the penny drops PO likely to have an effect before CC. |
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stu News Editor


Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 2500 Location: Ye Olde Englande
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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The Independent has a circulation of about 250,000 and is low compared to Murdochs Sun which gets three million plus daily.
http://www.abc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=nav/abc&noc=y
But at least thats a quarter of a million people who are gonna be PO aware. _________________ "The age of excess is over. The age of entropy has begun" |
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Aaron 800 lb Gorilla

Joined: Apr 15, 2004 Posts: 6495 Location: Houston
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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| Quote: | | "We don't believe there is an absolute resource constraint. When peak oil comes, it is just as likely to come from consumption peaking, perhaps because of climate change policies as from production peaking." |
You sir, are a disingenuous ass-hat.
In my opinion...  _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Praise HawkMan |
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highlander Intermediate Crude


Joined: Oct 03, 2004 Posts: 566 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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How can you not believe in an absolute resource constraint?
Aaron, you are too kind. _________________ This is where everybody puts profound words written by another...or not so profound words written by themselves
Highlander 2007 |
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shortonoil Fission


Joined: Dec 02, 2004 Posts: 2752 Location: VA USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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Aaron said:
| Quote: | | You sir, are a disingenuous ass-hat. |
Follow the money. The infrastructure that is responsible for world oil production is probably worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $13 trillion. The owners of this gargantuan pile of wealth are going to do anything possible to insure that they can extract every possible nickel from it. They know that this vast heap of steel and technology is going to be relegated to the scrap heap in the foreseeable future. To get their money, they have to depreciate it (wear it out), and to do that they have to keep people buying oil.
If being a “disingenuous ass-hat”, a profligate, deceitful slug is necessary to accomplish this goal, well, business is business! |
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Zardoz Expert


Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6786 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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"We don't believe there is an absolute resource constraint."
A quote for the ages. This beauty deserves a place in the pantheon of silly remarks next to Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time" crack.
And, of course, it comes from an economist. Why are we not surprised? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen |
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cudabachi Heavy Crude


Joined: Feb 09, 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Venezuela
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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| The same article is now on the Drudge Report.....this will get it a lot of attention. |
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Eli Fusion


Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 3985 Location: In a van down by the river
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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Well it is nice to see this story on the front page of a major paper.
We are now entering the point where KSA has to put up or shut up.
We all know that thus far they have been consistently cutting their oil shipments to Asia. It is obvious to most of us that they have likely passed peak and are having trouble standing still let alone increasing production.
After this summer I wonder if we will see a story explaining how we are all ready past peak oil and in unimaginable trouble. |
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untothislast Intermediate Crude


Joined: Oct 22, 2005 Posts: 709 Location: European Capital of Kulcha 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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You may be interested to read the range of replies which subsequently turned up in the 'Independent's' letters page:
Act now to head off energy wars
Sir: In your report "World oil supplies are set to run out faster than expected", 14 June) calculations show that within a few years the global supply of oil will peak, then start to drop dramatically. And we will be arriving at this peak just when China and other countries are drastically increasing their demand and we in the west are more addicted to our oil-based life-styles (motoring, jet-travel, large homes, exotic produce) than ever.
So what will happen? You don't need a crystal ball: oil wars are already commonplace (in the Middle East and in Central Asia), and politicians, oil executives and various oppressive regimes (Saudi Arabia) are, more than ever, scheming to control this precious resource. These conflicts can only get worse. The only way to maintain our lifestyle on a planet where demand is ballooning and resources are dwindling is to wage war and to take what you need (or want) by force. This is already happening in Iraq, Chechnya and maybe soon in Iran.
Governments speak of "terrorism" and of "criminals" but isn't what the western consumer-machine is doing to the planet just as bad, if not worse? Our life-styles lead directly to a relentless sapping of the world's resources and inequalities which in some cases are close to slavery. We must start adjusting our society to fit the limitations which we know are coming. If we don't make the adjustments then climate change and resource wars will make them for us. And that won't be pleasant.
ALAN SEARLE
COLOGNE, GERMANY
Sir: A drastic miscalculation of global oil reserves (report, 14 June) will lead to complacency and inaction to tackle the carbon dioxide threat to the world.
The report by the London-based Oil Depletion Analysis Centre said previous estimates that oil reserves will expire in about 40 years were wrong and they will run out much more quickly after peaking in four years. Oil production may, in reality, last a further 100 years, meaning the world should anticipate a much more protracted threat from the resultant carbon dioxide emissions.
Even within the energy sector there continues to be confusion between the highly conservative figures for "proven" reserves and what will actually be produced.
If institutions and people accept the warnings now being offered that oil will run out sooner than previously thought, then there will be an inevitable relaxation and complacency over the problem of carbon dioxide generated in consumption of the oil.
We should now be working out best methods of capturing and storing the carbon dioxide to reduce global warming, which will depend on innovation in chemistry. When earlier estimates said, wrongly, that oil would last four decades or so it was already underplaying the carbon dioxide threat. Now, if people think that the oil will be there for only 10 or 20 years then the determination and commitment to develop capture and storage technology will ebb, and that would be a disaster.
DR RICHARD PIKE
CHIEF EXECUTIVE, ROYAL SOCIETY OF CHEMISTRY, LONDON W1
Sir; The cover story "A World Without Oil" omitted significant oil reserves: oil shale in eight countries holds a total of 1.5 trillion barrels, and the Athabasca Tar Sands is already in production with 2.5 trillion barrels.
HARRY O WALLER
PETROLEUM GEOLOGIST, FELPHAM, WEST SUSSEX
Sir: At last, a newspaper that's not afraid to put good news on the front page: "A world without oil".
D EVANS
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Twilight Expert


Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 3076 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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Yes, as usual most of the readers are idiots.
What next, peak oil is a conspiracy to justify resource wars? Though I get the strangest sense of deja vu about that one.  |
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Judgie Heavy Crude

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Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 434 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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Sir; The cover story "A World Without Oil" omitted significant oil reserves: oil shale in eight countries holds a total of 1.5 trillion barrels, and the Athabasca Tar Sands is already in production with 2.5 trillion barrels.
HARRY O WALLER
PETROLEUM GEOLOGIST, FELPHAM, WEST SUSSEX
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Obviously hasn't had a chat to the economists yet....... oh I forgot, they're delusional too. |
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bobcousins Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Oct 14, 2004 Posts: 1203 Location: Left the cult
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil makes front page of National UK Newspaper |
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| Judgie wrote: | | untothislast wrote: |
Sir; The cover story "A World Without Oil" omitted significant oil reserves: oil shale in eight countries holds a total of 1.5 trillion barrels, and the Athabasca Tar Sands is already in production with 2.5 trillion barrels.
HARRY O WALLER
PETROLEUM GEOLOGIST, FELPHAM, WEST SUSSEX
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Obviously hasn't had a chat to the economists yet....... oh I forgot, they're delusional too. |
Oil shale is not even oil of course, but the man in the street does not know that. Our reassuring petro-guy also omitted to mention that oil shale by weight contains about as much energy as potatoes.
At the oil buffet, we've eaten most of the caviar, but never mind, there are plenty of potatoes left! _________________ It's all downhill from here |
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