How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usage
From the article:
Quote:
I'm hoping that consumers will see through the rhetoric about consuming less, demanding less, as faulty. It is not a given that consuming less will be good for our economy or for our personal freedom. It is not even established for our environment that we [should] deprive ourselves of gasoline for our personal mobility as well our commerce.
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
dolem98 wrote:
From the article:
Quote:
I'm hoping that consumers will see through the rhetoric about consuming less, demanding less, as faulty. It is not a given that consuming less will be good for our economy or for our personal freedom. It is not even established for our environment that we [should] deprive ourselves of gasoline for our personal mobility as well our commerce.
Maybe he's a neocon plant? Meant to convince us that the peak which we know happened nearly 2 years ago hasn't had the dire effects we see around us every day?
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
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I don't accept it[global warming] as established fact, nor do I accept that it would be caused by petroleum consumption, nor do I accept that the human species should not affect its environment. So even if it were someday to be shown to have some small effect on the environment, I see no crime. In fact, taking into account the many, many millions of people around the world that envy our way of life, it would seem more humanitarian to wish them the kind of plentiful petroleum products and vehicles ... that we enjoy ... to lift themselves out of [a] backward, poor way of life.
She doesn't "accept" these things, and to her there's no crime, and let's pile some more corpses on the bandwagon. This woman is just the product of our civilization and will be completely shocked when things just keep getting worse.
Either that or she's in the know, has a bug-out place ready, and is trying to pump some more fees from clients for a few more years. It doesn't really matter, she's just spreading conucopian balderdash that will just make us hit the wall harder and faster by reassuring the masses to keep driving. I'm starting to count on that happening at this point. Nobody wants to believe their cushy lifestyle is coming to and end, and consequently they'll do nothing to prepare.
Oh, and I don't usually pay attention to trolls, PraiseDoom, but had you even bothered to look at the article you would have seen that Trilby is a woman. I guess that's why you think everything is hunky dory, you never follow links. _________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
joewp wrote:
Oh, and I don't usually pay attention to trolls, PraiseDoom, but had you even bothered to look at the article you would have seen that Trilby is a woman. I guess that's why you think everything is hunky dory, you never follow links.
Virus's. Trojans. Hidden forwarding url's, endless popups, porn links, etc etc. And it happened to me here. So no, I don't follow links provided by the wonderfully altruistic here at PO.com.
At least until the Russians are all struck stupid and can't break into the MySql databases around here ( or whatever they use when this all happened LAST time ).
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
On global warming:
Quote:
I don't accept it as established fact, nor do I accept that it would be caused by petroleum consumption, nor do I accept that the human species should not affect its environment. So even if it were someday to be shown to have some small effect on the environment, I see no crime. In fact, taking into account the many, many millions of people around the world that envy our way of life, it would seem more humanitarian to wish them the kind of plentiful petroleum products and vehicles ... that we enjoy ... to lift themselves out of [a] backward, poor way of life.
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
Interesting thing about Trilby Lundberg is her brother Jan Lundberg, previous heir to the Lundberg journal and fortune gave it all up to be a hippy in northern california. I was arrested with him once protesting ancient redwood logging on Pacific Lumber land. His daughters are treesitters. His Culture Change website is very very very radical and not all like Trilby's crap. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
Yes, I can 't wait to hear Jan's response to this! _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
This broad is an attention whore getting her mug in the news every week by basically feeding the press stats from AAA. I hear her all the time on the radio.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
Man, your not wrong about the brother being the opposite.
He heads an organisaqtion effectively devoted to the annihilation of cars. One of the principal suggestions is the forcible removal of paved roads hence the name of his band the Depavers.
I guess they either have very interesting Christmass get togethers or simply haven't talked for a decade or more.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
PraiseDoom wrote:
joewp wrote:
Oh, and I don't usually pay attention to trolls, PraiseDoom, but had you even bothered to look at the article you would have seen that Trilby is a woman. I guess that's why you think everything is hunky dory, you never follow links.
Virus's. Trojans. Hidden forwarding url's, endless popups, porn links, etc etc. And it happened to me here. So no, I don't follow links provided by the wonderfully altruistic here at PO.com.
At least until the Russians are all struck stupid and can't break into the MySql databases around here ( or whatever they use when this all happened LAST time ).
Virus and trojans? On CNN's website?
And why do you worry about that stuff? Aren't you using a safe browser like Firefox? _________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
My guess is they dont speak. I cant imagine how any conversation or gift giving can occur with such different (public) worldviews. _________________ UNplanning the future...
http://unplanning.blogspot.com
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Trilby Lundberg's completely backwards views on oil usag
Must be an interesting family. Its not that weird, i think most of us have at least one family member that thinks we're nuts and everything is fine? _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07
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