Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: Re: 350,000 people left without running water in UK floods
yep the weather here has been fairly mad in the last few months. We had one of the warmest early springs on record then basically from the last week in May to now it has rained everyday. June was the wettest on record and July is heading that way.
It was only about 2-3 weeks ago much of the north of England (sheffield and hull area) were badly hit.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: Re: 350,000 people left without running water in UK floods
Hmmm, It sounds like they have PLENTY of running water!
ok I'll shut up now...
Seriously best of luck in the cleanup. And sincere wishes for a minimum of injuries and or deaths!
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now!
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: 350,000 people left without running water in UK floods
Apparently some jetstream shifted a month ago and the rain is set to continue. The water needs to go somewhere and is taking the path of least resistance. Unfortunately that happens to be prime level ground for construction.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: 350,000 people left without running water in UK floods
Another reason to have a stock of drinking water on hand. You don't want to drink water with ecoli or whatever in it, unless you like "sharting". _________________ Clothing should be optional.
Unlike earlier this month, it wasn't the poor urban North that got hit, these are the nice leafy places and they got it an order of magnitude worse. Hence all the cool boats. I wonder how that will shape up, socially. Quite a test. As an aside, some of the photos suggest people didn't leave enough rope length when tying them, so as the water rose, they were held in place and sank. Others that broke free got crushed under bridge arches.
Makes you proud. No-one does denial with more style.
Water cut-offs could reach 420,000 according to the BBC, water levels peak overnight, the flooded treatment plant is estimated to take 1-2 weeks to restore to operation. This could be bad, ironically because floods are not unheard of in those parts, so people would have braced themselves for the usual event and got something we haven't seen for a couple of centuries instead.
How bad the aftermath is going to be depends on how bad the next few days are. And it's going to be a learning experience finding out how capable our civil defence is.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: 350,000 people left without running water in UK floods
WOW!I wonder who's tracking the incidence and frequency of flooding in various areas.It seems as though there's been an increase of severe flooding in some areas along with increased periods of drought in others.I'd like to see some hard data on wether it's real or I'm imagining it. It seems this would be irrefutable evidence that global warming is taking place.Someone has to be tracking this. _________________ It's the height of rudeness for the stretch polyester pants crowd to foist their tard version of Christ on talmudic scholars. But they don't get this, because they are, after all, extremely thick.----Threadbare
It's official: the heavier rainfall in Britain is being caused by climate change, a major new scientific study will reveal this week, as the country reels from summer downpours of unprecedented ferocity.
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: Re: 350,000 people left without running water in UK floods
Twilight wrote:
Unlike earlier this month, it wasn't the poor urban North that got hit
Yes - it's hard to get emotionally involved when it's Hull. But we should rebuild the place, otherwise the residents might try to move somewhere civilised.
Twilight wrote:
these are the nice leafy places and they got it an order of magnitude worse. Hence all the cool boats. I wonder how that will shape up, socially. Quite a test.
They'll rebuild.. we may have to spend a bit more cash (OK, some cash) on proper dranage systems. Mind you, if this sort of thing becomes commonplace, some of these towns might have to be evacuated. Not good.
Worst thing of all, we drew the test match with india because of the rain.. if global warming starts to interfere with cricket, it's time to get serious.
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: 350,000 people left without running water in UK floods
When I went on honeymoon to England at the beginning of this year, we stayed with relatives near Cambridge who seemed to have an unusually comprehensive knowledge of global climate change. A trip to the local museum (at Ely) showed us why.
Up until the late 1600s, the cathedral at Ely was on an island. The original full name of the county was 'Cambridgeshire and the Isle of Ely' (named after the quantities of eels which the locals fished for and ate). Around the Isle of Ely was 'the fens', swampland which was Britain's equivalent to the Louisiana bayous. Interestingly, the 'fenmen' were widely perceived as backwards, illiterate and incestuous, much like the Cajun stereotype.
A massive canal-digging project was started under William of Orange, (there are also remains of canals dug by the Romans) which led to hundreds of thousands of acres being drained under the supervision of Dutch engineers. This land was then heavily farmed. Unfortunately, being ancient swamp, the fenland was all peat. Exposed to the air, it shrank. Ploughed for agriculture, it cracked and eroded, taking the land further below sea level.
Every hundred years or so, the canal system would fail, flooding vast areas of farmland, and be augmented by a new level of technology. The pumps draining the land went from handpower to wind driven to coaldriven steam to electricfied pumps. The most recent flooding was in the 1940s, so videos existed of the effects.
The cheery little educational video which informed us of all this (and showed black and white footage of houses being submerged for miles in the last flood) ended with the good news that technological breakthroughs were happening all the time and that such disasters, which had happened regularly throughout the history of the fens, would never happen again. I couldn't tell whether the producers were being subversive or serious.
Moral of the story: living on a floodplain in England is the least of your worries. At least these people are above sea level. _________________ Build your soil
Build your skills
Build your community
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: 350,000 people left without running water in UK floods
This is happening in the country that created the Berkefeld water filter.
Oh the irony! _________________ Hair in my eyes like a highland steer, spring in my step like a white tailed deer. Hitch in my hip like an old sheep dog, puff up my chest like a big bull frog.-Corb Lund
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