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NotMyBlood Heavy Crude


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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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Washington Times link
My question is WHY? They certainly dont need the money!! |
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RonMN Fission


Joined: Mar 18, 2005 Posts: 2691 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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Easy...The peoples of Iran & Iraq all kill eachother & China steps in & takes the oil.  _________________ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. |
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Twilight Expert


Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 3076 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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Maybe the Iraqis are approaching foreign suppliers because of this...?
BBC: US admits delay to Iraq weapons
| BBC wrote: | The Pentagon said only 14.5m of the nearly 40m items of equipment ordered by the Iraqi army had been provided.
On Wednesday, Iraq's ambassador to the US said the delays were hindering the fighting capacity of its armed forces.
Samir Sumaidaie said Iraqi troops were often "cannon fodder" for militants. |
If China is shipping the goods rather than just embezzling the money, then that's progress.
In other news:
BBC: Iran 'training Iraqi mortar men'
| BBC wrote: | Militias firing rockets and mortars on Baghdad's heavily protected Green Zone have become more accurate because of training in Iran, the US military says.
"In the last three months, we have seen a significant improvement in the capability of mortar men and rocketeers to provide accurate fire into the Green Zone and other places," Lt-Gen Odierno told a press conference.
"We think this is directly related to training conducted inside Iran," he said. |
Really? In most countries, three months of live firing resulting in an increase in accuracy is normally called 'practice'.
Nice try though. |
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pup55 Expert


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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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This is a no brainer.
By supplying a lot of cheap weapons to the warring parties, they increase the chaos, build alliances on both sides that they can use to their advatage after the inevitable collapse, and most of all, keep the US military occupied in the middle of a quagmire while they sit back laughing.
A few more years of indirectly draining the life blood out of the US and they can go in and straighten the place out in their own image, sign up the big oil deals, and keep their economy running along just fine.
These guys are on a 10 to 15 year time frame, and are in no hurry at all to do anything except let the system fester the way it is. The longer this goes on, the stupider the US looks, and the easier for them to ride in on their white horse and look like the saviors in about 2017 when they really do need the oil.
The Russians would be delighted to do exactly the same thing, but they are hung up on the problems with their own muslim minority.
The US can whine all it wants about this, but there is obviously nothing they can do about it. After five years and a trillion dollars of war, they cannot even control all of Baghdad. |
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Colorado-Valley Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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The old joke about learning Mandarin doesn't seem that far out to me.
The western banks may be swept aside by the Asian juggernaut.
At least until the oil runs out ...
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Keith_McClary Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 1333 Location: Suburban tar sands
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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| pup55 wrote: |
By supplying a lot of cheap weapons to the warring parties, they increase the chaos, build alliances on both sides that they can use to their advatage . |
Isn't this the Neocon plan? |
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NEOPO permanently banned

Joined: May 15, 2005 Posts: 4142 Location: THE MATRIX
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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| Keith_McClary wrote: | | pup55 wrote: |
By supplying a lot of cheap weapons to the warring parties, they increase the chaos, build alliances on both sides that they can use to their advatage . |
Isn't this the Neocon plan? |
Absolutely and anyone who thinks the chinese elite are not part and parcel to the neocon plan is delusional IMHO  _________________ It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved. |
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Ferretlover Moderator


Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3911 Location: Minniesotuh
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TheTurtle Fission


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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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| Colorado-Valley wrote: | | The old joke about learning Mandarin doesn't seem that far out to me. |
What's the old joke about learning Mandarin? I ask, yinwei wo yijing hui jiang putonghua.
By the way, NotMyBlood, I shortened that link for you in the original post so the page size wouldn't be too much for those of us with ancient monitors. _________________ “Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry) |
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NotMyBlood Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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| My experience with Chinaman. Nice enough, respectful, business oriented, savvy businessmen, frugal, family oriented and ruthless to a point of being cold-hearted. They wont care if the majority of people in the US are living sub-standard lifestyles. They wont even give it a second thought. And I wouldnt count on any help or sympathy. |
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Keith_McClary Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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Notice that all the accusations come from un-named officials except:
"We have seen ordnance and weapons that come from other places, but we assess that they have come through Iran," Adm. Fox said. "There are missiles that are actually manufactured in China that we assess come through Iran as well."
What does "we assess" mean? Perhaps "Bush ordered us to say"?
This is typical MSM warmongering. |
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Scactha Heavy Crude


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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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The chinese are preparing to conquer the world with tooxic toothpaste!
USA is not losing power due to some Bond'esque dastardly plan but to its ignorance of international sentiment and being the worlds greatest energy junkie. |
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NotMyBlood Heavy Crude


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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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This hanst been getting much attention, with everything else going on, but I really see this as a pretty big "signal". The US is in IRAQ trying to stabilize the country and our so-called friends are Arming both sides via Iran? Our so -called business partners are activley participating in the attempt to "bleed the Americans out of that area" ?
Am i missing something? Shouldnt this be front page news? Or am I over reacting?? |
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Ferretlover Moderator


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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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I posted this because I thought it was curious..
From everything I've read, the Chinese and Japanese cultures run on a different time schedule--ie: they plan long term, not short-term like we do.
Can't quite put my finger on why, but it seems to me it's an experiment (among other things) : "Let's see what happens when we do this." |
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Keith_McClary Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 1333 Location: Suburban tar sands
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: Re: China arming Iraq Gov and Iranians.......? |
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| NotMyBlood wrote: | This hanst been getting much attention, with everything else going on, but I really see this as a pretty big "signal". The US is in IRAQ trying to stabilize the country and our so-called friends are Arming both sides via Iran? Our so -called business partners are activley participating in the attempt to "bleed the Americans out of that area" ?
Am i missing something? Shouldnt this be front page news? Or am I over reacting?? | Consider the source. Can you spell "BS".
And "trying to stabilize the country" ??? Watch what they do, not what they say.  |
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