Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: Being informed is too depressing for me!
I've always felt an obligation to know what's going on in the world. But the more attention I pay to keeping up, the worse I feel. Conversely, the less I pay attention to what's going on in the world, the happier I feel. The problem is that I now feel like I'd have to be as dumb as Jessica Simpson in order to be happy. Now I'm thinking that Jessica Simpson isn't that dumb, as being dumb must be making her happier.
I am 33 years old. In the days of double digit inflation, I was too busy watching "Sesame Street" to know what was going on. I was aware of the nuclear arms race and Cold War as a kid in the 1980s, but I didn't obsess over it, and my gut feel was that we'd somehow muddle through. (Of course, my attention was on school and growing up.) I remember that Gulf War I monopolized the news in 1990-1991. I was against the war, but it didn't really weigh on my morale. I was too busy studying because of the torrential workload of my junior year of high school. (I can't believe I survived that and graduated as salutatorian. I'd never be able to handle that today. From the stories on the academic hyper-competitiveness I've read about, I think that if I were in high school today, I'd get crushed academically like Nicole Richie in a mosh pit.)
But since the 1990s, the world news has been dragging down my overall morale. It's been a consistent stairstep downwards. One major step downwards was the Oklahoma City bombing. An even bigger step downwards was the September 11th attacks. The biggest step downwards was finding out that Peak Oil was close at hand and that it would end civilization as we know it. In between these steps was a gradual erosion of my morale.
Of the downward steps in my morale, Peak Oil has been the biggest, exceeding that of the September 11th attacks. The implications of Peak Oil are far-reaching - the end of civilization as we know it and a major die-off.
In the case of the September 11th attacks, I have the good sense to avoid the news on each anniversary and to instead distract myself with funny, fluffy movies like _Porkys_, _Porkys II_, etc. I also have the good sense to change the TV channel or radio station every time the news turns to Iraq. (I'm glad I don't have cable TV. I think CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News are in cahoots with the manufacturers of blood pressure lowering medications. Whoever decided to force the crawl on all of us should be locked in a padded cell and forced to watch those stations.)
I've been noticing a subtle and gradual changes in myself over the years. I'm much more impatient than I used to be. My outlook on life has been on the decline when it should be improving because the rest of my life has been improving over the past several years. And I've been paying more and more attention to the adventures of Paris and Nicole for comic relief.
I'm not quite sure how else to describe the change in me. The trouble with Peak Oil is that it's been a backdrop in the two years since I came across this web site. Every major tragedy that happens (such as the Hurricane Katrina aftermath in New Orleans) seems to be connected in some way to Peak Oil. So many things remind me of Peak Oil. Ever since I learned how close Peak Oil is, a part of me has come unglued. I really notice it when tragic news dominates the headlines, such as yesterday's bridge collapse in Minneapolis.
It also seems that no matter what I do, I can only temporarily shake off the Peak Oil gloom before it creeps back into my psyche.
Do any of you have any suggestions on how to deal with Peak Oil? I've NEVER been so obsessed about an issue before in my life. I want to turn the clock back.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
In 2004, I discovered dailykos.com. It's MUCH more informative than the popular news channels, but it's also MUCH more depressing. See the conundrum? It seems that happiness and knowledge are mutually exclusive, and a part of me feels obligated to be informed about what's going on in the world. I wish I were one of those idiots who had to rely on Jay Leno for the world news. At least he (OK, his writers) can put a humorous spin on anything. Kip and Kim (Jaywalk all-stars) aren't so dumb. Being so ignorant is so blissful for them.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
If you think being informed is depressing, ask yourself what destiny being uninformed will lead to.
Be certain of one thing - our civilization, and everything we're attached to will surely die. It's called change. If someone discovers "the answer" - the magic bullet that permits eternal growth without tears - then the civilization will be transformed (die) as certainly as if the worst-case peak oil scenario is true.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
HamRadio, I'm in about the same boat as you (35). Not a single day goes by that I don't dwell on PO to some degree. Add on top of that the stress of trying to sell a house with full awareness of an imploding housing market (again... I bought this house at the peak in 2005, but misfired and got a good house close to everything but in the wrong neighborhood).
Ignorance is indeed bliss. There are many days I alternate between envy for those who are unaware and extreme anger at those who are willfully in denial (i.e. who have been shown the likelihood of impending collapse but choose to ignore it). However, I know that I wouldn't have it any other way. I've always been a pessimist, and I'd rather know the truth and anticipate the worst, even if it's much more protractedly stressful than living an ignorant life. I couldn't live with myself otherwise.
9/11 was a big catalyst for me. I was very politically active in the early 90's, but then fell into a suburban stupor the latter half of that decade, and didn't really pay attention to the world around me. When 9/11 happened, the shock was so great that I swore I wouldn't be taken by surprise like that again. This led to be becoming very world-aware and politically active again, and I also discovered Daily Kos. However, I felt the community there to be too "establishment-centric" and found the more free-ranging, chaotic community on Atrios's Eschaton blog to be more my cup of tea. When Bush was re-elected in 2004 my optimism and faith in the political system pretty much died, and misanthropism took over. Not long after that someone on the Eschaton blog posted a link to LATOC, and the rest is history.
I think if there's one ounce of comfort we can take from understanding the painful truth of the situation is that we're being mentally toughened now. When everyone else is reeling from shock and bewilderment and trying to figure out why the world they thought they understood is crumbling around them, we'll be able to more coolly analyze the situation and adapt as necessary. At least that's my hope.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
Man, you should have been around in the sixties when Nixon and Vietnam were raging, kids were getting drafted for slaughter in S.E. Asia, both the Kennedys and Martin Luther King had been assassinated, the National Guard was shooting students in Ohio ...
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
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However, I know that I wouldn't have it any other way. I've always been a pessimist, and I'd rather know the truth and anticipate the worst, even if it's much more protractedly stressful than living an ignorant life. I couldn't live with myself otherwise.
Thanks, SeasonOfPain. That really does say it all. For me, knowing is better than not knowing--even though it rarely feels that way!
It doesn't help my psyche that I'm a Christian, BTW. I wouldn't share my feelings with other believers simply because they'd send me on a guilt trip about not having faith that the Lord's coming back in the end, and will make all things right. That IS a happy thought. However, before that wonderful day, that same Lord informed us that the world and everyone on it was going to go thru the worst time that ever was, or ever will be.
Whether you who are reading this are believers or not, I think you probably tend to agree that we are on the verge of entering the worst time that ever was, or ever will be--whether there's a happy ending, or not. Knowing that such is just ahead for us IS THE MOST DEPRESSING THING IMAGINABLE. Just as depressing, for me, is knowing that the only thing that helps me hold on is NOT that the Lord will return (even though I believe that), but that THERE'S NO WAY I'M GONNA GET THRU WHAT LIES AHEAD. I'll probably be dead very early on in the process, actually. Pretty depressing way to keep the ol' psyche from completely breaking, ain't it?
So I do empathize with HamRadioRocks. What I can tell you, Ham, is that the depression does NOT go away. That there is no "escape" from the knowing about this. The best thing I can tell you is to take life day by day. Being involved in things I like and interest me help. (Being online, sipping coffee and reading the paper, painting ceramics, reading a good book.) When I'm doing something for someone else is when I feel the most content. (Finding a good gift, giving to charity, talking with someone and listening to them, even something as simple as covering someone's bus fare when they're short.) I do support planning and preparing for the dark times ahead--with the proviso that this doesn't guarantee these preparations will hold up against the times.
Oh, and living like you wish everyone would live now--or should've lived a lot sooner--is amazingly reassuring to the psyche. It's not that it will change what's coming. It IS that it changes YOU. And if you are changed for the better, it may affect those in your world TODAY. Maybe it will even help during those horrible tomorrows, who knows?
That's the best advice I can give. The depression comes with the knowing, though--so don't be expecting it to go away. It won't. Focusing on how to make the here and now a little better, though, does ease the overwhelmingness of it a bit. Give it a try.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
I think the most important thing to remember is that the world is always shifting/moving/changing - and this is just one aspect of it.
You will be ok, as long as you choose to move with the flow of change, as opposed to fight against it. Being depressed or anxious about what is ahead and how bad it will be is both pointless and ineffective. Humanity can and will survive - it always does - the important thing is how you position yourself prior.
Another important things to realize is that this forum moves from poin A to point Z in no time. It goes from a happy Walmart-growth-wealth-lifestyle to the 13th century. This is always possible, but not probable. The world shifts, and there's a lot of gray area, there's a lot of letters between A and Z.
Basically, you're not helpless. If you choose to accept that a dire peak oil apocalypse is in front of you, then that's cool. But if it makes you scared, nervous, depressed - then work to change it. Whether you do or you don't make an incredible change isn't what matters, what matters is that you're still alive and have the power to make some difference. If you're simply waiting for your own slow, dark death - then the truth is you're already dead.
Every generation has their reasons to be filled with doom - we're no different. It's just a matter of deciding how to approach it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
Depressed about events?
Read history. There is something soothing about reading how people made it through situations much worse than we have faced... and how they often did it with style and courage.
It puts things into perspective.
The older I get, the more valuable I find history and the less seriously I take journalism.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
Fore me. I like to go deep in to the remotest wilderness I can find. After 3 or 4 days time slows down, the senses awaken, and life takes on a different rhythm. You settle in to a state of calm awareness.
You begin to realize that underneath 'this' world there is a different world that seems to be humming along just fine. Doing its thing with complete indifference to 'this' world. It didn't miss a beat before we were here and it won't miss a beat when we're gone. (Even if it comes down to nukes. As Bob Marley wrote "have no fear for atomic energy 'cause none of them can stop the time.")
You can't experience this on a day hike or a weekend. You need to be out there, in the back of beyond for at least a week. It's cheap too. No hotels, rental cars, plane tickets. A journey into the wilderness is the freest, cheapest, most nonprivileged of pleasures. Anyone with two legs and the price of a pair of army surplus combat boots may enter. (ed abbey)
When you come back you realize that 'this' world isn't the only world. Come to think of it, reminds me of a scene from The Thin Red Line:
Quote:
WITT (blinks back tears)
I can take anything you dish out. I am twice the man you are.
WELSH
In this world a man himself is nothing. And there ain't no world but this one.
WITT
You're wrong there, Top. I seen another world. Sometimes I think it was just my imagination.
WELSH (smiles)
Well, then you've seen things I never will. We're living in a world that's blown itself to hell as fast as everybody can arrange it. In a situation like that all a man can do is shut his eyes and let nothing touch him. Look out for himself. I might be the best friend you ever had. You don't even know it.
The wilderness thing may not be for you, but it is good to find something to give you a different perspective. Figure out what that is.
If you follow the bad news all the time, it's easy to get wrapped up in the drama. 'My world is crumbling,' 'things are getting worse all the time' Your world isn't crumbling though. It's not your world. Your world is the real world and it's not going anywhere. All that's crumbling is the manifestation of an imagined world. A mental construct plotted out in gridlines at right angles superimposed on the real world that doesn't have any corners or straight lines.
If peak oil is always creeping in to your psyche, that's ok. It's always creeping in to mine too, and probably most other people on this forum. Don't fight it or try to force it to the back of your mind. Just let it come on in and sit down for a cup of coffee. Acknowledge it. Peak oil is here (in my mind). It will hang out for a bit and then move on, and come back later of course. Not a big deal.
If all else fails, take Jack's suggestion of buying more ammunition to lift the spirits.
One last thing. If you're eating the Standard American Diet (SAD) of salt , starch and sugar you're going to be depressed whether you know about peak oil or not. Make sure you're getting lots of high quality protein and fresh fruit and vegetables. Do you like sardines? Live on sardines for a few weeks and all the Omega-3 fat will make you feel like a superstar.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
I nominate that as post of the year by Seldom ^ _________________ "One minute I held the key, next the walls were closed on me, and I discovered that my castle stands upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand."
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
Battle_Scarred_Galactico wrote:
I nominate that as post of the year by Seldom ^
I'll second that. I really enjoyed it. I like sardines too but have not tried it for two weeks straight I guess it's time to give it a shot.
To the original poster I get Peak Oil creeping into my mind all the time also. I am doing more things these days from eating out and buying stuff and even have a second job now. I have paid down my credit card debts only my mortgage remains reasonably modest.
So I guess even with the knowledge that the future "might" be very bleak I intend to make the most of it and enjoy as much of what our modern lifestyle has to offer.
I NEVER talk about the deeper consequences of Peak Oil and all the associated issues gas/coal/environment/monetary inflation etc..
If you have some spare $$ stock up on some long life food and keep some chlorination tablets on hand. It might mean the difference between making it and not. Don't tell anyone and if TSHTF remember to join the soup lines just so your neighbors are none the wiser although if you get caught with excess food in tough times you might get lynched so have a good story ready and be prepared to share if you get found out.
The benefit of the second job is you are more tired and have less time to think about all the gloom and you have extra money to spend, it's a great tonic for me anyhow Wishing you all the very best. _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
If the news depress you... stop watching the news! but... but... but... THROW YOUR TV AWAY, that's the best thing you could ever do. Refuse to read newspapers or magazines, refuse listen to the radio news or people talking about the news at all. That's pretty much what I've been doing for more than 2 years and I promise you the results are worth it, most important thing is to get rid of your TV, you'll be surprised how much time you get back and how your perception on things change. I used to watch TV news while having dinner with my wife, usually I'd punch the table all angry "Do this bastards think we are a bunch of idiots?"
Where do news come after all? Just a few agencies, what you see is never reality, NEVER, so why watch it at all?
Worried about PO? just watch the oil price if you will and forget about the rest, keep busy, do something positive like you are already doing by selling your house, concetrate on that, the world can take care of itself. _________________ When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!
ASPO Italia President Professor Ugo Bardi discovered PO on 9.11.2001.
World record of depression! _________________ **no english mothertongue**
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