I tend toward anxiety more than depression, and kava-kava tea has been a miracle for me. I take melatonin before bed, too, and have slept much better since I started doing so about a year ago. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6388 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
Shannymara wrote:
I take melatonin before bed, too, and have slept much better since I started doing so about a year ago.
Do you take a melatonin every night? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Joined: Jun 25, 2005 Posts: 257 Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
Thanks for the roadback link Pheba.
Someone I know has rheumatoid arthritis. I have been trying to convince her to investigate the antibiotic treatments for it before it becomes crippling, (permanent joint damage) without success. She chooses to listen to doctors that prescribe drugs that are dangerous and ineffective instead. (Who would you listen to, a doctor, or a nob like me?)
Hard in Canada to get doctors to take responsibility for anything outside the mainstream, (even if they're aware of "outside the mainstream") as they run the risk of loosing their licenses. The mainstream of course is determined by the flow of money, and there ain't no money in curing arthritis with cheap patent expired antibiotics like tetracycline. Ineffective treatment of symptoms with $20 a pill patented drugs, now that's cutting edge.
Joined: Oct 15, 2005 Posts: 1531 Location: Portland, Oregon
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
MattSavinar wrote:
fish oil, digestive enzymes, rhodiola, b-vitamins and vitamin c, celtic sea salt, organic eggs and meat, lots of fresh fruit and fiborous veggies, eliminate soy and high fructose corn syrup, some type of daily light-to-moderate exercise, plus a hammock in the sunshine and a loyal & playful dog if you got 'em. . .
Yes what Matt says is great- here's what he didn't mention-
Avoid caffeine- especially coffee- it will wreak havoc on your adrenals.
Examine your lifestyle- slow down during the day- breathe, relax, get a massage, have a hot bath, drink herbal teas, turn off the technology, go to bed early if you can. Meditate, do yoga, tai chi, pray. Make good loving connections to friends and families. Stop obsessing and worrying...about everything.
Examine how you live just one day of your life. Are your habits making you feel good or burning you out? Choose better habits...
All of these actions will go a long way to healing your adrenals/nervous system. Way better than some prozac or zoloft.
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5395 Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
Zardoz wrote:
Shannymara wrote:
I take melatonin before bed, too, and have slept much better since I started doing so about a year ago.
Do you take a melatonin every night?
Yes, why do you ask?
I know it doesn't work for some folks, and for some (like my mom) it even makes them twitchy or something. But for whatever reason, my chemistry appreciates the melatonin supplementation. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3429 Location: California, USA
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
Melatonin levels are related to one's circadian rhythm (biological clock: day/night cycle), thus melatonin supplements are often used to quickly adjust to a new schedule for example when traveling.
Melatonin can be used as a sleeping aid, by taking it about a half hour before desired bedtime. However it should not be used for more than a couple of days at a time except on the advice of a health professional, otherwise there is a risk that your body can come to depend on it and that you may experience difficulties getting off it.
About 5-HTP: It's been popular in the geek subculture as part of an overall supplementation routine aimed at keeping the brain in top shape for geek-work. However I have found personally that taking the standard 100 mg. capsule produces gas & diarrhea, and others I know have found that taking it in larger doses produces nausea and vomiting. What appears to work for me is about a 5 - 10 mg. dose, which requires opening up the capsule and taking out a small amount of the powder each time. Needless to say this can create the impression among bystanders, that one is taking illegal drugs.
Question: where can one obtain 5-HTP in 5 milligram capsules?
Re. DHEA: I never heard it had anything to do with male sexuality; anyone know anything concrete about that?
Recent experience department: Nasty cold last week, which included a mild fever. On about the third day, I started dosing on vitamin C, 500 mg capsules, 4x daily, and the worst of the cold went away overnight. I stayed in for the entire week so as not to go spreading the damn cold around (it's apparently very contagious), but at least the rest of the week wasn't miserable. I'm still sniffling and blowing my nose, but the vitamin C apparently knocked the cold down a few notches immediately, which has made it bearable.
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5395 Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
Re melatonin: Thanks gg3. My doctor did tell me to use it daily. I've had sleep problems since I was a kid. Now I don't anymore. A 3 month supply is only about $5, and I've stockpiled a few years worth. I've got no issue with being dependent on it. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Joined: Oct 11, 2005 Posts: 245 Location: Southern USA
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
The problem with avoiding soy is that it is present in a majority of processed foods. Grab some processed foods from your cabinet and look on the labels.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4333 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
thuja wrote:
MattSavinar wrote:
fish oil, digestive enzymes, rhodiola, b-vitamins and vitamin c, celtic sea salt, organic eggs and meat, lots of fresh fruit and fiborous veggies, eliminate soy and high fructose corn syrup, some type of daily light-to-moderate exercise, plus a hammock in the sunshine and a loyal & playful dog if you got 'em. . .
Yes what Matt says is great- here's what he didn't mention-
Avoid caffeine- especially coffee- it will wreak havoc on your adrenals.
Examine your lifestyle- slow down during the day- breathe, relax, get a massage, have a hot bath, drink herbal teas, turn off the technology, go to bed early if you can. Meditate, do yoga, tai chi, pray. Make good loving connections to friends and families. Stop obsessing and worrying...about everything.
Examine how you live just one day of your life. Are your habits making you feel good or burning you out? Choose better habits...
All of these actions will go a long way to healing your adrenals/nervous system. Way better than some prozac or zoloft.
When it's bad and I mean real bad all the stuff your talking about don't mean nothing. Like drinking carrot juice to cure cancer. Flat out BS.
Been there done that - quit spreading nutritional BS.
Joined: Oct 15, 2005 Posts: 1531 Location: Portland, Oregon
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
Ummm...I didn't mention nutrition...except cutting out coffee- Matt did...
But if you truly believe that you can eat cheetos, McDonalds and Diet Coke all day and not get some anxiety and depression side effects, then by all means go for it.
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
It's not BS, diet/nutrition can be a large factor in burn out and it's vital for recovery. _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4333 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
OK, here's the deal. Exercise as you wish and eat a well balanced diet (like mommy always told you to do). On top of that take 25mg of DHEA 6 out of 7 days a week during early morning hrs (like 4-5 AM) along with your vitamin pill. You can up that to 50mg, but for me it was a little to speedy. That should help you alot.
Try it for a week and get back to me. You should feel the difference within 1 hr after the dosage.
Joined: Dec 04, 2004 Posts: 2337 Location: perpetual state of exhaustion
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
There are two problems with soy. 1) you virtually can't get any without it having been genetically modified in some way. 2) it has high estrogen levels and plays with peoples hormone levels/ emotions and in some cases guys have started taking on more feminine traits.
I have been having problems for years and when I moved I went to a new doctor who said I had been misdiagnosed for years and went on to diagnose Adrenal Fatigue.
Of course they rarely tell you what to do. He did say to avoid processed food, sugar, caffeine and stress. lol. can anyone do that? It is possible though that I have been suffering with it for so long that my adrenal glands can't be rescued (or so I've been told).
I've discovered 5-HTP, and Chromium (which is used for A-typical depression). I also discovered that the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet can lessen some of my digestive issues (like gassey highly acidic stomache that had been diagnosed as being Irritable Bowel Syndrome).
If you can give any links about this diet you have been on Mmasters it would be appreciated.
Joined: Dec 04, 2006 Posts: 227 Location: End of the plateau
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for
gg3 wrote:
About 5-HTP: It's been popular in the geek subculture as part of an overall supplementation routine aimed at keeping the brain in top shape for geek-work. However I have found personally that taking the standard 100 mg. capsule produces gas & diarrhea, and others I know have found that taking it in larger doses produces nausea and vomiting. What appears to work for me is about a 5 - 10 mg. dose, which requires opening up the capsule and taking out a small amount of the powder each time.
Try 50mg capsules, which should be available in any good pharmacy. I have had no side effects so far and my symptoms have subsided significantly And do not take in conjunction with any other drug that raises serotnin levels as shannymara suggested. _________________ Machines are what distinguish modern man from the savage.
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