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clv101 Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 02, 2004 Posts: 1078 Location: Bristol, UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: Britain should oppose binding target for renewable energies |
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| Quote: | Energy: the fundamental unseriousness of Gordon Brown
http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/3126
The Guardian reports this morning on a private report to Gordon Brown that suggests that Britain should oppose binding target for renewable energies in Europe (20% of all energy by 2020, as agreed earlier this year at this spring's EU Summit). The Guardian flags the juicy political bits ("work with Poland and other governments sceptical about climate change to "help persuade" German chancellor Angela Merkel and others to set lower renewable targets", "a potentially significant cost in terms of reduced climate change leadership"), but also provides some of the apparent underlying reasons provided, which are worth commenting upon:
- it undermines the carbon-trading scheme which "allows wealthy governments to pay others to reduce emissions";
- it costs too much money (£4 billion a year to get to 9% by 2020);
- it does not help push for new nuclear plants as it "reduces the incentives to invest in other carbon technologies like nuclear power";
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Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 2971 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Britain should oppose binding target for renewable energ |
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| If 20% is too difficult, 15% or even 10% would be something. But their attitude sounds like they don't even want to try because they don't recognise partial success, so anything under 20% is failure, and failure looks bad. They will only ever play in a rigged game. |
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Alcassin Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 521 Location: USS Poland
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Britain should oppose binding target for renewable energ |
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Oh, we had election last sunday. Government changed for the pro-European, and not skeptic about GW. I think Brown should go to Czech Republic, Vaclav Klaus is a true skeptic. _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
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Doly Expert


Joined: Dec 03, 2004 Posts: 4034
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Britain should oppose binding target for renewable energ |
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- it undermines the carbon-trading scheme which "allows wealthy governments to pay others to reduce emissions";
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In other words, it doesn't let us get away with not doing anything.
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it costs too much money (£4 billion a year to get to 9% by 2020); |
In other words, we don't believe there's a real problem, so we aren't willing to spend more than cosmetic money on it.
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it does not help push for new nuclear plants as it "reduces the incentives to invest in other carbon technologies like nuclear power"; read more |
In other words, the nuclear people have convinced us they can give us all the energy we need, and we were so stupid we believed them.
'We' here meaning Brown and his awful team of energy advisors. _________________ What are you doing about peak oil?
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Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5855 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Britain should oppose binding target for renewable energ |
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Despite all the posturing, Britain and other EU countries are almost all failing to meet their commitments under the nonbinding Kyoto accords.
The British and general EU strategy is to sign non-binding agreements, boast about how great they are at fighting climate change and developing alternative energy, and then 10 years down the road when they've failed to meet their commitments, say "oops" and let the next government deal with it. |
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dorlomin Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Aug 05, 2007 Posts: 1061
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Britain should oppose binding target for renewable energ |
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The UK has made no cuts in its carbon production over the past ten years and has instead been increasing.
It did achieve cuts in carbon over the 80s/90s but this was due to economic and political considerations. The fact it became a producer of gas meant that it could kill of its coal mining industry and produce energy slightly cheaper and more carbon friendly. And the fact that no one wanted anything they manufactured meant they no longer had steel works and ship yards to produce carbon for them.
Ofcourse the politicians break there arms to congratulate themselves on carbon cuts that were often due to political incompatence. |
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