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Ferretlover
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 Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: LA port LNG project successful |
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SOUND ENERGY Solutions (SES) Oct 24 announced that a 14-month demonstration project utilizing liquefied natural gas (LNG) in two yard tractors at Yusen Terminals Inc. in the Port of Los Angeles has shown initial favorable results.
The demonstration project, conducted from October 2005 through December 2006 at Yusen’s facility on Terminal Island, found that particulate matter emissions were 93% cleaner than a standard diesel engine and 90% cleaner than an on-road diesel engine using ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel. …
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: LA port LNG project successful |
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| Ferretlover wrote: | SOUND ENERGY Solutions (SES) Oct 24 announced that a 14-month demonstration project utilizing liquefied natural gas (LNG) in two yard tractors at Yusen Terminals Inc. in the Port of Los Angeles has shown initial favorable results.
The demonstration project, conducted from October 2005 through December 2006 at Yusen’s facility on Terminal Island, found that particulate matter emissions were 93% cleaner than a standard diesel engine and 90% cleaner than an on-road diesel engine using ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel. …
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Expect to see more of these things in the future.
LNG is the hydrocarbon fuel of choice for those afraid of coal and looking for an easy fix.
Eventually public opposition to LNG stations will diminish, allowing in even more supply.
Natural gas will flood American markets for decades to come and continually put a ceiling on prices, IMHO.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: LA port LNG project successful |
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Well Duh its cleaner than diesel... It also has a much lower energy density, did they mention that?
Tyler, I think you are correct that there will be more built...
But a couple things to keep in mind...
Even one accident would take a good chunk of the port/city hosting it out.
I hardly think the "flood" will be able to compensate for the losses in available higher density refined fuels like gasoline and diesel. So still a net decrease in available energy and ever increasing price with the commensurate drag on the economy.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: LA port LNG project successful |
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I'm sure we'll see more of them in the future, but keep in mind that the US uses 635B m3 of nat gas a year.
and the current largest tankers carry the equivalent of 90M m3 of natural gas (gaseous state). So with a very conservative decline rate of 2% (using Oil's predicted decline rate, NA nat gas I think is suppose to a be 5% decline rate but I forget)
thats 140 shipments a year per year (ie next year requires 280 shipments) just to keep nat gas at a standstill.
So you can see just after a few short years you'll never be able to build ports or ships fast enough to keep up (as a best case).
A "more practical" solution would be a pipeline across the Bering Strait to get Russian Gas (which could easily be connected to Iranian Gas as well). All it would take is Coni Rice doing some fast talking and we're all set 
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: LA port LNG project successful |
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Natural gas is burned off as a waste product in many oil producing countries.
The problem isn't a lack of gas.
Russia is top offender in gas-flare emissions
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The report was completed by scientists at the US National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration in Colorado using Air Force meteorological satellite images dating to 1995. It reveals that the amount of carbon dioxide emitted from Russia's gas flaring alone equals the combined emissions from all cars and trucks in New York state and New England.
In all, the emissions from global gas flaring send 400 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year -- equivalent to the emissions from all the vehicles in Great Britain, France, and Germany.
The World Bank is convening a meeting today in Rome to discuss the 108-page report's findings. Experts estimate that the amount of gas released and burned at oil installations is equivalent to a quarter of the US natural gas market, potentially worth $69 billion annually at current prices.
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Moreover, natural gas prices in the US market are too low to justify the investment.
As we all know, oil prices have jumped roughly 9-fold since 1998.
Natural gas prices, on the other hand, are only up around 4-fold.
This imbalance is limiting investment in the LNG sector.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: LA port LNG project successful |
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| Tyler_JC wrote: |
Natural gas will flood American markets for decades to come and continually put a ceiling on prices, IMHO. |
With all due respect to YHO , is there any quantitative info on how much gas is available? Enough for China to switch from coal if they decide to clean up their air?
I can't find a recent PO thread on this. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: LA port LNG project successful |
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Dave Cohen wrote a good article for TOD: Empire on the Edge - Betting on LNG. He references Harold York's Limited Availability for "Cheap" LNG, which is available from EB. Excellent pieces both. Didja know much of the LNG available for import has the wrong heat content for the US infrastructure?
| Tyler_JC wrote: | | The problem isn't a lack of gas. |
True, much of the NG in NA is stranded, like those big fields in Prudhoe Bay. Dunno if it'd be cheaper to build pipelines to that or invest in LNG - both will take a good while to make much difference.
Was reading a Sci Am piece on powering the nation through NG, they described underground electrical storage powered by a bit of NG, another possible future application.
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Aedo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: LA port LNG project successful |
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| gnm wrote: | ...
Even one accident would take a good chunk of the port/city hosting it out.
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I don't think this is correct - LNG does not "BLEVE" (boiling liquid vapour explosion) and as such you don't have the potential for a thermonuclear explosion type event. That said it must be treated with respect - like all hydrocarbon storage. |
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