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wisconsin_cur Moderator


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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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From the Guardian
| Quote: | | Britain faces the prospect of power shortages and soaring prices this winter after the National Grid warned of a shortfall in electricity-generating capacity yesterday. The alert coincides with a surge in gas prices, which are now 40% higher than in continental Europe, and the confirmation that a vital import plant in South Wales will not be operational this winter. |
Well I guess this means the so-called first world is also vunerable
| Quote: | There has also been uncertainty over the amount of gas coming into the market this winter from Norway's Ormen Lange field in the North Sea. The Langeled pipeline linking the field with an import plant at Easington, east Yorkshire, was opened last year and is taking some gas but it is unclear when it will be at full capacity.
Centrica, the owner of British Gas, which has contracted with Norway's StatoilHydro to bring in the supplies, insisted last night that concerns were misfounded. "There is plenty of capacity there," said a spokesman. "When this [Langeled] is fully up and running it will be able to supply 20% of all Britain's gas needs."
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KevO Expert


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EndOfGrowth Heavy Crude


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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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Is there a risk of power shortages amongst domestic consumers this time? _________________ Machines are what distinguish modern man from the savage. |
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KevO Expert


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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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| EndOfGrowth wrote: | | Is there a risk of power shortages amongst domestic consumers this time? |
not if they ban those f****** Griswaldian, twatty Christmas lights that adorn the front walls and gardens of 80% of UK housing estates _________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSFLSTb5KfU
http://www.myspace.com/jimolliermusic |
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IslandCrow Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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I am glad that the landlord my parents are renting from put in double glazing (and did other insulation work) this autumn. It won't help them much with the power cuts, but it should help them reduce their gas consumption in the face of large increases in gas prices. _________________ We should teach our children the 4-Rs: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle and Rejoice. |
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Eli Fusion


Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 3909 Location: In a van down by the river
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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The UK needs to just ask Russia for some gas.
Vlad is a real nice guy he would be glad to sell you guys some. Just make sure you pay up on time, Good luck.
Seriously though this not a good situation. |
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Sys1 Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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| KevO: I never thought Santa Claus could be the perfect scapegoat for our energy crisis. Let's bomb him to save our civilization! |
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strider3700 Fission


Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 2723 Location: Vancouver Island
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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| Sys1 wrote: | | KevO: I never thought Santa Claus could be the perfect scapegoat for our energy crisis. Let's bomb him to save our civilization! |
We've already melted his homeland returning it to the open ocean in the middle of summer. Do you think the bombing is necessary? _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts |
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stu News Editor


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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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We've been here before I think.
I remember the same headlines circulating last year and we did come close to a crisis which got to the stage that they were cutting supplies to industry. I know in the event of a crisis industry gets cut first. After that gas fired power stations are hit next and there are rolling brownouts done on a postcode basis. If it get's worse than that when domestic heating is affected. Obviously the main priority is to keep the heating on in peoples homes.
I'm not going to say everything is ok but the politicians were right last time and the headline writers were wrong. What we need is some number crunching. Demand and supply figures for the next few months would give us a clearer picture. I think that's something I may work on in the next few weeks.
Also lets not forget the situation with nuclear power stations being shut down for maintenance. _________________ "The age of excess is over. The age of entropy has begun" |
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PWALPOCO Heavy Crude


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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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*Double* _________________ All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
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stu News Editor


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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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Ok.
First of all the demand side.
Below is a link to the BP statistical review for gas consumption globally.
http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9017914&contentId=7033437
(Link changed)
Demand for 2006 in the UK was 8.8 bcf per day or 90.8 bcm for the year Link.Obviously higher prices have killed demand to the lowest levels since 1999. _________________ "The age of excess is over. The age of entropy has begun"
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stu News Editor


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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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Have managed to find information on consumption up to the 2nd quarter in 2007.
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file41460.pdf
(page 15/60)
| Quote: | Demand for gas in the second quarter of 2007 was
1.3 per cent higher than the level in the second
quarter of 2006.
• Gas use for electricity generation was 26.5 per cent
higher than in the second quarter of 2006, with
lower gas prices and lower nuclear output
encouraging gas use.
• Provisionally, consumption in the domestic sector
fell by 13.4 per cent mainly because much higher
than average temperatures in April reduced
demand for space and water heating in the second
quarter of 2007.
• In public administration, commerce and agriculture
consumption fell by 13.1 per cent compared with a
year earlier. In the industrial sector gas sales were
provisionally 12.6 per cent lower than in the second
quarter of 2006. |
Interesting how price rises and temperature rises have decreased domestic demand yet consumption for electricity generation has shot up by 25% due to lower gas prices and lower nuclear generation. Lets not forget that some nuclear power stations are also shut down.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/nuclear/article/0,,2197499,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
| Quote: | A spokesman for the National Grid said the shutdown would not lead to any blackouts or power shortages.
"We are going into winter with a 26% generation margin, which is the difference between the available energy generation and forecast demand, so we will be able to meet demand," he added.
He said that it was not usual for a number of nuclear or coal-fired power stations to be closed at any one time.
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Given that there is a sharp rise in gas consumption for electricity generation and the current shutdown of some nuclear stations this could mean that overall consumption of natural gas will rise compared to last year.
I'm just guessing but it seems that any demand drop in the domestic sector will be wiped out by demand for electricity generation. If we say demand stays at the 1.2% rate for the first two quarters then consumption would be around 9.0 bcf for the year. _________________ "The age of excess is over. The age of entropy has begun" |
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Twilight Expert


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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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| There is a scramble to build gas turbine power plants in the UK right now, so natural gas demand will be ramping up for years to come. Our reliance on it for power generation is expected to increase significantly, from around 45% now to 60% by 2020. Obviously if at any point there is a shortfall that exceeds the ability of heavy industry to mitigate, the country has a problem. |
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Starvid Fission


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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Rising fear of energy crisis in UK |
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Swedish Energy (organisation of large energy consuming companies) are warning that we will have rolling blackouts if we'll get a "ten year winter", that is, the kind of cold we get on average every ten years.
That is, of course, unacceptable.
The reason we are in this mess is increasing Russian demand, which means no Russian power exports to Finland, which means no power exports to Sweden. At least this is what they are saying. The real reason is that we have allowed demand to get separated from supply.
Clearly, we need a few more nuclear reactors. Big ones.
The same goes for Britain. _________________ Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis. |
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