Global Warming: The Greatest SCAM in History

virgincrude

It really is quite remarkable how people now thoroughly convinced (to the point of dogma) of P.O can diss those who choose to question the AGW theory.

Can't you see the similarities in your behaviour to those early day denialists and debunkers which a recent thread here began gloating and jeering at? (The 'I told You So" thread which was utterly pointless other than reinforcing people's egos.)

Throughout the mass media selling to us of the whole 'Global Warming' (not to be confused with Climate Change, or should that be Lose Change?) subject, where have the NASA studies on solar activity cycles and their effects on the world been? Oh, I'm sorry, maybe NASA hasn't actually been studying anything to do with sun activity in relation to the earth's atmosphere. Why are all these shuttles going up?

Don't you find it even remotely suspicious that the evil Al Gore has wedded himself to the AGW theory with a messianic fervor? The man is deeply embedded in the CFR and the whole set up stinks to high heaven of public manipulation: leak it slowly so it appears to be an 'alternative' viewpoint; deny it thoroughly so as to give credence to those in the 'alternative reality' camp; have a few PTB express an inclination towards considering the 'alternative reality' thus opening the door for the MSM to follow the lead: until eventually an apparently 'independent' world body takes it on board (the UN) projecting the whole theory as a global reality, no longer an alarmist theory, making the anti-establishmentarians do a double take and assume something akin to Divine Guidance has occurred.

The degree of confusion evenly distributed among the public and the specialists (expert?) is the direct result of the manipulation whereby deniers and confirmers are placed on both sides of the argument.

In one fell-swoop the UN can impose the longed for global taxation system and people actually FEEL GOOD about paying a bogus tax to an international body.

EnergyUnlimited · Fusion Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 3392

virgincrude

"It is funny that so many peoples are unable to realize that"

Yes, hilarious.

Where do you live Energyunlimited? Because if you live in either the US or Europe you are not following developments closely enough to see how wrong your assumption is. The US has already destroyed many of the famed checks and balances guaranteeing your individual rights as a citizen, YouTube Naomi Klein and wake up to your new fledgling fascist state.

The same is happening throughout European individual states, recently united under an umbrella pseudo-constitution (to be ratified this month) aimed at gradually eroding the individual rights and constitutions of each member-state, through increased obfuscation of Euro-laws and increased burocratic requirements imposed upon each member state.

Our world is run by the corporate/banking megalomaniacs.

Carlhole · Knight of the Realm Joined: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 3269

Al Gore basically stated in his film An Inconvenient Truth that "the debate is over" regarding anthropogenic global warming.

I'm taking the position that the debate is NOT over. And that the
real debate is taking place amongst a relatively small group of climate scientists of very differing opinion and methodology. Rather than watch some insipid Lassie movie about global warming such as was Al Gore's film, I would much rather have seen a full presentation of the work of these active climate scientists along with a decent exposition of the debate - which is alive and well.

Charts, graphs and detailed analysis would not bore me or go over my head! That seems to have been the implicit assumption of Al's film - people are too stupid to understand anything beyond a 6th grade level. On the contrary, I would a description of the many experimental studies and the differing scientific approaches to the problem fascinating.

The majority of the IPCC scientists are not involved in the nitty-gritty analysis of past climate and present climate change. They are onlookers - as the rest of us are.

And it is within this much larger group of onlookers to climate science that all the politics is occurring. If you really wanted to present the accurate state of knowledge about the Anthropogenic Global Warming Theory, you would stick to the small group of climate scientists who are actively studying and modeling Earth's climate, past and present, and amongst whom there is a vigorous debate and much disagreement. And it would be vastly more interesting than Al's silly film!

If the debate were presented accurately, there would be much less certainty about man-made climate change. But, politically, it's much better to say that the "debate is over".
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culicomorpha

Part of the problem with GW comes from the long time-constant of the system. If you take a massive system like the Earth's ecosystem, it takes a while for things to stabilize. We've made a lot of changes to the planet. So if we wait until we're sure, then it's probably too late because things are already in motion and can't be turned around quickly.

That being said, I find eco-fascism to be as bad as any other kind, and do see the potential of a world government and implementation of the new world order. Since any GW solutions are going to require the cooperation of the herd, this will require the manufacture of consent, as Chomsky likes to point out, with the associated necessary illusions. So yea, I think the PR campaign for this is just getting started.

Come on now, everyone knew the bankers would figure out a way to tax the air eventually!!! Twisted Evil

billg

Funny story over at Grist.org about how Rush Limbaugh got duped into thinking that a research paper that supported a non-anthropogenic source of global warming was a legitimate science paper.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/11/9/1290/00480

h20 · Tar Sands Joined: Mar 27, 2007 Posts: 66 Location: Oceania

If anyone can read this book and still deny AGW, then I'll listen. Until then, the denialists are just static to be tuned out.

Bas

I wonder if when PeakOil had had the attention Global Warming has had over the last decade, and Global Warming was a fringe issue like PO is if we would be on Global Warming forum now discussing if PeakOil was a Scam brought up by TPTB to mask the Global Warming issue. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, I believe it's clear that resource depletion and environmental depletion are basically the same thing, caused by the same cause; unsustainable overpopulation and overconsumption.

Like a famous example here on the forum states: "A yeast cell consumes resources, excretes waste, and reproduces. The difference between humans and yeast cells is....?", ultimately yeast dies from two things, they run out of food (sugar) and poison their "atmosphere" and themselves with their excrement, alcohol. Depending on how much sugar there is, they can kill themselves with one or the other, or both. Back to the human world; we both are starting to feel that we don't have unlimited "sugar" and the effects of our degredation of the natural environment (not just climate change). I don't know what factor will ultimately do us in, but having read some of the die-off debates, I highly suspect it will be a combination of the two.

Cabrone

This character appears in todays Telegraph (hardly a leftie paper) with the following quotes

EnergyUnlimited · Fusion Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 3392

Carlhole · Knight of the Realm Joined: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 3269

Carlhole · Knight of the Realm Joined: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 3269

I happened to stumble over this blog at the Bad Astronomy News and Discussion board. He's shares the same opinion and interest that I do regarding GW:

Bad Astronomy

culicomorpha

h20 · Tar Sands Joined: Mar 27, 2007 Posts: 66 Location: Oceania