Global Warming: The Greatest SCAM in History

dunewalker

Human-induced climate change is not that difficult of a concept to understand or embrace. Anyone who has driven over the mountains into the LA basin has seen ample evidence of human effects on the atmosphere. What I find disheartening is that the main opposition to human-induced climate change stems from base political bigotry: " Al Gore says humans cause global warming, therefore it must be a lie!" That plus a self-centered arrogant greed, the "right to profit however I see fit". As Dick Cheney reputedly uttered: "the American way of life is non-negotiable". The corn belt floods were a pretty large hammer knocked "upside the heads of Americans. How big a hammer do we need? A 31.8 foot flood crest on a section of river that had a previous record crest of around 21 feet, looks pretty impressive to me, for one.
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dunewalker

jlw61, your logic of denial is impeccable. So be it.
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dissident · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 08, 2006 Posts: 454

No way his logic is impeccable. More like his drivel is boundless and he ignores any actual evidence and logic.

Specifically, the claim that humans do not cause warming is logically equivalent to the statement that "adding 27 billion tons of CO2 per year to the atmosphere has no impact on its thermodynamic state". This scientifically illiterate, infantile nonsense is not a legitimate debating point. The only reason this planet is habitable is because of CO2 otherwise the average surface temperature would be below freezing year round. We have increased the CO2 concentration by over 50% in the last 150 years. This is physics and not some political BS. But political zealots think everything is politics and opinion. They are subjectivist nitwits.

dunewalker

Cid_Yama · Last edited by Cid_Yama on Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:48 am; edited 4 times in total

In under 40 years man has caused the climate to swing from the beginnings of an ice age to global warming? If the earth is that easily influenced then I suggest you all take a nice vacation to wherever you've always wanted, because in the next 10 years the planet will be dead.

Your argument is specious. Mankind has been putting additional greehouse gases into the atmosphere since the advent of agriculture and irrigation. It has only been since 1957 that the planetary carbon sinks became overwhelmed, and more carbon was put into the atmosphere than could be sequestered. Since then, the concentration of greenhouse gases has climbed to levels far exceeding anything found in the ice core record going back 800,000 years. Thus, the earth has not been easily influenced as you claimed. It took the spike in human population from just under 2 billion to nearly 7 billion in the last century to overwhelm the planetary carbon sinks.

Think of the planetary carbon sinks as like being a carbon filter on a spacecraft. Once it is full it stops working and carbon levels rise until you are dead. Unlike the spacecraft, many other things will trigger to kill us before anoxia.

The planet has warmed to the point that the Arctic ice cap is melting. The planet has not been without an Arctic ice cap for 1.1 million years. This was long before man existed on the planet. The ice caps moderate temperatures on the planet. they are like our planetary air conditioner. With their melting, nighttime average temperatures rise. While this makes it uncomfortable, it has also lead to increased melting of permafrost, releasing methane.

During the last Glacial Maximum, sea levels were far lower and permafrost covered vast areas in the arctic that are now underwater to a depth of about 100 meters. This permafrost, formed above water, but now underwater, is unstable and contains vast amounts of methane.

The warming of the Arctic ocean has put this underwater permafrost within 1 degree C of melting. We are talking Gigatonnes of Methane that will warm the atmosphere abruptly 10s of degrees.

You are correct, however, in that we face a massive human dieoff in the near term.

Another point, correlation is the cornerstone of Statistical Analysis and a foundation of Scientific inquiry.

People who use the 'correlation is not science' argument, mearly demonstrate their ignorance.

Interesting that this premise has been a cornerstone of the neocon's anti-global warming campaign.
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GregWatson · Heavy Crude Joined: Jun 07, 2008 Posts: 132

wxman · Heavy Crude Joined: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 178

The "global cooling" scare that skeptics love to point out was due to both an increase in aerosols in the atmosphere as well as coinciding paleoclimate research into the ice ages. The media ran with the doom story, because - well, that's what they do best.

The problem? Global cooling was a minority opinion in the scientific community. That's right, more scientists were worried about global warming in the 60s and 70s than cooling.

mos6507

What people don't realize is that earth's atmosphere has always been a product of a series of cause and effect. The earth was at one time unbreathable by humans. Plant life slowly "terraformed" the planet to be able to support land animals. It was this activity that created the oil and coal we're consuming now. If dumb life like plants were able to alter the planet I don't see why people fail to accept that the impact of 6+ billion humans releasing that fossilized carbon can not alter the atmosphere back to what it was originally. This was actually covered very well in the Crude - Incrdible Journey of Oil documentary. It went into enough detail and connected the dots in ways even a child could understand. If you just can't grasp that concept, there is no point continuing the debate.

GASMON

Global Warming: The Greatest SCAM in History - CORRECT

We're I week from midsummers day, here in UK its noticably COLD, and been so for a while. Nice weather, sunny, but COLD.

Global warming is a contrived tale to do 2 things.

1. Cover up / hide PEAK OIL & all its ramifications.

2. Use GW as an excuse to Make US ALL guilty, responsible, therfore we are lectured to use less, pay more etc.

The peak oil story cat is crawling out of the bag, and people are becoming aware.

Gasmon
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dohboi · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Dec 05, 2005 Posts: 1427

Gas, you're just too funny.

So exactly how deep does your hysterical conspiracy go? Do you think the melting of the Arctic is a hoax? Do you think the well attested, dramatic increase in extreme weather events (long predicted by GW models) is a made up? Do you think every major, established scientific body in the world sat down one day and decided to pull the wool over everyones collective eyes?

I'm really curious to know just how extremely...blinkered you are.

I also find it completely adorable how deniers are always the first to jump up and down at any extreme weather event--whether its bizarrely extreme flooding its the US Midwest, or when tens of thousands of people die from bizarrely extreme heatwaves in Europe, or when hundred of thousands of people die in a monstrous cylcone in Myanmar--and point out that no one weather event can be pinned conclusively on GW.

But one slightly cool day in Britain proves conclusively to our wise gasbag that the whole GW thing is bunk.

How completely endearing.

GASMON