How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
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Iran has installed 3,000 centrifuges for enriching uranium - enough to begin industrial-scale production of nuclear fuel and build a warhead within a year, the UN's nuclear watchdog reported last night.
The report by Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), will intensify US and European pressure for tighter sanctions and increase speculation of a potential military conflict.
within a year?
that could be also phrased as 'before Bush leaves office'. So will GW want as his legacy the fact that Iran got a nuke whilst he was president?
hmm?
(IsraelNN.com) The Israeli government was ordered by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Thursday to draft plans to deal with the possibility of a nuclear attack by Iran
Quiet preparations are being made to address the risk presented by the Islamic Republic's continued nuclear development activities, which have accelerated in recent weeks despite sanctions imposed by the United Nations Security Council.
The U.S. and Israel are convinced that Iran is building an atomic bomb, despite President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's protestations that his nation's nuclear programs are being carried out solely for domestic energy use.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: Re: Decision time for US over Iran
I am a little bit sceptical of this article, given the Guardian's propensity for regurgitating anti-Iran propaganda. I wonder what the actual report says.
I thought Iran needed a lot more centrifuges = 15,000 and 5-10 years so I am not convinced unless I see some clarification.
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Decision time for US over Iran
julianj wrote:
I am a little bit sceptical of this article, given the Guardian's propensity for regurgitating anti-Iran propaganda. I wonder what the actual report says.
I thought Iran needed a lot more centrifuges = 15,000 and 5-10 years so I am not convinced unless I see some clarification.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
kadoomsoon wrote:
Wasn't it BBC who had a reporter in NY reporting on the colapse of WTC7 30 minutes before it collapsed, and then later when questioned about it, said they lost the original tapes done on 9/11?
This is not a company I would trust either.
never heard that one before. So they were ahead of the news!
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
KevO wrote:
kadoomsoon wrote:
Wasn't it BBC who had a reporter in NY reporting on the colapse of WTC7 30 minutes before it collapsed, and then later when questioned about it, said they lost the original tapes done on 9/11?
This is not a company I would trust either.
never heard that one before. So they were ahead of the news!
Maybe they are this time as well...
Jane Stanely reports 23 minutes before building 7 falls...that it fell.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: Re: Decision time for US over Iran
I would want to see the exact wording of Baradi's text.
You can start building a nuclear weapon with one centrifuge, provided you don't mind waiting for a long time.
A decent sized production cascade has 60,000 centrifuges.
Keep in mind also that to get to weapons grade concentrations is a two stage process. It's relatively simple to get to fuel grade level of 3%, but you then have to continue to process to get to weapons grade level of 90+%. Unless of course you are after a dirty bomb and you can stop at any convenient concentration.
There is still little or no comment on the Iranian problem of molybdenum contamination, which they have to solve before they can get weapons grade material.
julianj wrote:
I am a little bit sceptical of this article, given the Guardian's propensity for regurgitating anti-Iran propaganda. I wonder what the actual report says.
I thought Iran needed a lot more centrifuges = 15,000 and 5-10 years so I am not convinced unless I see some clarification.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
KevO wrote:
kadoomsoon wrote:
Wasn't it BBC who had a reporter in NY reporting on the colapse of WTC7 30 minutes before it collapsed, and then later when questioned about it, said they lost the original tapes done on 9/11?
This is not a company I would trust either.
never heard that one before. So they were ahead of the news!
Maybe they are this time as well...
The American media are amateurish when it comes to deception. In contrast, the British media and more specifically ruling class have had over a thousand years to polish their technique. Just be very veryful what conclusions you arrive at when reading the British press...remember Northern Ireland? Always consider the message being conveyed and it's impact on your emotions knowing what you do about issues such as the depletion of resources, climate issues and of course, likely future paradigms as a consequence of the latter two. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
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Wasn't it BBC who had a reporter in NY reporting on the colapse of WTC7 30 minutes before it collapsed, and then later when questioned about it, said they lost the original tapes done on 9/11?
There is 3 copies of each important news event. They lost ALL copies.
+ if they lost it before 9/11-06 (five years) they broke UK media law.
We're not part of a conspiracy. Nobody told us what to say or do on September 11th. We didn't get told in advance that buildings were going to fall down. We didn't receive press releases or scripts in advance of events happening.
If they weren't told by someone, wonder where the journalist got the idea to state that it had come down 20min before it actually came down? Do BBC reporters report on events using psycic premonition?
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We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
KevO quote:
Quote:
Iran has installed 3,000 centrifuges for enriching uranium - enough to begin
industrial-scale production of nuclear fuel and build a warhead within a year, the UN's nuclear watchdog reported last night.
The report by Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), will intensify US and European pressure for tighter sanctions and increase speculation of a potential military conflict.
One nuclear weapon against Israel’s 600 and the US’s 6,500 means jack-crap, the Iranians are not stupid. So why is this hype around Iran building a bomb still being circulated; who benefits from it? Certainly not Iran or the rest of the world.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
So lets get this right, the BBC has a careful and cunning plan with presumably full cooperation between US and UK to fool the world about 9/11 and then releases it 20 minutes early?
I suppose the planes / explosives where late? Thats what you get with outsourcing to foreigners.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
I just thought I'd bring the thread back to Iran and Uranium
Gordon Prather on Antiwar.com (and he's a nuclear physicist)
has this to say, in a long article refuting the 18 months=bomb story, so I feel rather vindicated.
Quote:
From the NY times, which also seems to take a similar line to the guardian:
"The agency's report also confirmed for the first time that Iran has now crossed the major milestone of putting 3,000 centrifuges into operation, a tenfold increase from just a year ago. In theory, that means that Iran could produce enough uranium to make a nuclear weapon within a year to 18 months."
/nyt story
In whose theory?
What neo-crazy crackpot told gullible [or complicit?] New York Times' reporters that gas centrifuges could produce uranium at all, much less produce weapons-grade almost pure Uranium-235?
Uranium-enrichment plants don't "produce" uranium, they "cast out" the Uranium-238 istopes from the uranium-hexafluoride fed them.
What ElBaradei "verified" was that Iran had finished installing eighteen 164-machine cascades and that uranium-hexafluoride had been fed into all 18 cascades. ElBaradei also reported that the "feed rate" as well as the enrichment level – both of which the IAEA "audits" – have remained low.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Israel Begins Preparations for Iranian Attack
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"The agency's report also confirmed for the first time that Iran has now crossed the major milestone of putting 3,000 centrifuges into operation, a tenfold increase from just a year ago. In theory, that means that Iran could produce enough uranium to make a nuclear
weapon within a year to 18 months."
Quote:
Wasn't it BBC who had a reporter in NY reporting on the colapse of WTC7 30 minutes before it collapsed, and then later when questioned about it, said they lost the original tapes done on 9/11?
So the press is again back to reporting events before they happen. Is this like Condoleezza Rice’s statement that the terrorist would have mushroom clouds sprouting up all across America? Thank God for the veracity of our leaders and a free and unbiased media in our fair lands!
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