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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Grew up on the farm. Roughly 1500 acres give or take. Down to about 500 now.

Kinda funny, I spent hours goin round and round in the dirt on a tractor wishin for something "better".

Went to college, chased the dream and caught it. Watching it fall through my hands like so much sand. That "dream" is a bullshit lie of long hours at work, bills, and stress. They sure sell it well though. Lots of money, big house, nice cars. The whole 9 yards. Looks good on the TV. Doesnt quite pan out in practice though for a great many of us.

I sure miss goin round and round in that dirt.


Your experience reminds me of mine. There is nothing like the challenge of getting a crop off before the rain, nothing as stimulating in my work world. There is nothing to match the aroma of fresh cut clover and alfalfa hay in June either.

The other day I caught myself doing the countdown to retirment, figuring how many months and even weeks. Telling myself to keep putting one foot after the other. I get decent salary, but no sensory feedback of accomplishment.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I grew up on little places and always dreamed of owning one. When we moved here I thought we would raise vegetables, small fruit and small animals.

But now we have a little alfalfa patch and bottle-feed and background dairy calves for most of our cash.

Gotta adjust…
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I grew up in a rural area. My dad never farmed (as an adult, that is - his family farmed when he was a kid), but my grandparents, just up the road, did. In the Ozarks the soil is mostly thin and rocky, and not suited for growing large crops, but it's excellent pasture. Grandpa raised cattle & chickens (commercially), and grandma had her side projects of katadin hair sheep and rabbits.

Like a lot of young people around here, I left to go to college, with no intention of coming back. I was looking for something else, somewhere else. Well, like specop mentioned, I found that it's not all it's cracked up to be. After about 20 years of working with my degree, ranging from places like Little Rock, AR, to Houston, TX, I was homesick for the mountains. So my husband and I came back to family land.

We have what we affectionately refer to as a "farmette." Our share of Grandpa's original land is only 14 acres, but it's good land. Our topsoil is great, and we have both woods and pasture. We raise large gardens and small livestock - chickens, (sell eggs and birds), dairy goats (sell milk and kids), and rabbits so far. Because my brother, with his 12 acres, is right behind us, we may be getting into raising cattle soon enough, fencing the entire 26 acres to let the cattle run back and forth, sharing the land. But that's later down the road.

I wouldn't trade the sound of a whipporwill or a frogs' chorus at night, for all the money on the planet now. Carlin still works off the farm, bringing in much needed income, and I do some consulting work from time to time, but our land is paid for, our house is paid for, and for the moment the farm feeds us - I'm not worried about making a million. You never realize what you have till you lose it - I'm glad I came back.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Denny wrote:
Specop_007 wrote:
Grew up on the farm. Roughly 1500 acres give or take. Down to about 500 now.

Kinda funny, I spent hours goin round and round in the dirt on a tractor wishin for something "better".

Went to college, chased the dream and caught it. Watching it fall through my hands like so much sand. That "dream" is a bullshit lie of long hours at work, bills, and stress. They sure sell it well though. Lots of money, big house, nice cars. The whole 9 yards. Looks good on the TV. Doesnt quite pan out in practice though for a great many of us.

I sure miss goin round and round in that dirt.


Your experience reminds me of mine. There is nothing like the challenge of getting a crop off before the rain, nothing as stimulating in my work world. There is nothing to match the aroma of fresh cut clover and alfalfa hay in June either.

The other day I caught myself doing the countdown to retirment, figuring how many months and even weeks. Telling myself to keep putting one foot after the other. I get decent salary, but no sensory feedback of accomplishment.


One of my fondest memories was swhen I was fairly young. I was sitting on top of a near full grain truck with a big orange moon low on the horizon watching the lights and hearing the distant sound as the combines moved through the field.

Good memories. I'm like you, I count the days and try to figure out how soon I can get back to the farm.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Specop_007 wrote:


Good memories. I'm like you, I count the days and try to figure out how soon I can get back to the farm.


You and me both Spec. We started out with 400 acres and have just under 700 now. I can remember fixing fences and fighting erosion gulleys while my friends would go to movies or play Atari all weekend. I also remember my Dad urging me to take Ag courses while I was at Oklahoma State and thinking I 'll never be a part of this life again.

What I like best is all the wild game. Our ranch bordered the Kiamichi wilderness so all the deer would get flushed towards us. Plus all the Wood ducks pond jumping from Lake Hugo.

Here are a few photos taken a few years back.

http://www.hightechredneck.com/freeclickedphoto.asp?cpo_id=1349

http://www.hightechredneck.com/freeclickedphoto.asp?cpo_id=654

Won't be much longer before we both get our wish.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Specop_007 wrote:
Grew up on the farm. Roughly 1500 acres give or take. Down to about 500 now.

Kinda funny, I spent hours goin round and round in the dirt on a tractor wishin for something "better".

Went to college, chased the dream and caught it. Watching it fall through my hands like so much sand. That "dream" is a bullshit lie of long hours at work, bills, and stress. They sure sell it well though. Lots of money, big house, nice cars. The whole 9 yards. Looks good on the TV. Doesnt quite pan out in practice though for a great many of us.

I sure miss goin round and round in that dirt.


Grew up the same way. I never minded it too much, but left for college because everybody, and I mean everybody, told me there was no future in farming. As it turns out farming is one of the few things that has a future. I'll be hopefully be closing on a piece of land that was originally my great grandads in December and I can gradually start moving from engineering to farming.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm from a high-tec background, designing and developing web sites, while I was living in central sydney australia. For 10 years I wasn't outside of a 10 minute walk to the center of the city. I paid over $500/week renting apartments and studios to product web sites for ethereal cosmetics companies, fashion people and photographers.

I got sick of it.

Moved to my grandparents farm to 'cool out' from burn out.

I stayed a little longer than I expected....

Now, I grow my own vegetables, look after my horses and cows. I still make web sites, only now only for horse people. Even this activity doesn't have the ring it used to. Nothing in that world compared to cutting hay so that you know you've got enough for the winter, or seeing your vegetables mature. We've recently got ourselves a house cow which we'll be milking soon.

I'll never want that previous existence again.
Get in touch with the soil, and you won't look back.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

alokin wrote:
Who went into farming, without being a farmer and without experience or little experience? What experiences did you make? Do you sell produce or do you have another source of income? Most of us won't be able to pay a farm without mortgage.
Is the farm close to a town and how do you think you will make your transport?



I went from hating gardening, to 'begrudgingly accepting' I may have to grow my own food someday.

I am an Urban Homesteader. I was born in L.A. and live there for 35 years. Had enough of the craziness, so moved to the NE US in 1989. My local is 'rural country' enough for me. I prefer to stay in the city-country as opposed to the country-county and most definitely NOT the city-city.

I just have a little plot of garden dirt, about 45 x 75 feet. I do canning, food preservation and have been baking all my own bread since 4-98 in the area of 150 to 200 loaves a year. At present I do not grow much food - since I mentioned I hate gardening. And since I can buy my food - I do.

When I get a little homesick for L.A. I do sprout some sunflower greens. I also grow mint and tomatoes. But when food gets tough, I will farm actively. (Actually will start before the food dries up, probably will get going farming once the gas rationing starts or some other major milestone takes place.)

Survivalists can be divided into two main categories:

The first type is the survivalist that can't cook and puts all their hopes in squirreling away all the freeze dried foods and SPAM they can afford...which like all non replenishing supplies whether it be food or crude eventually runs out. The only use for dirt for such survivalist is to bury their freeze food and guns in

The second type of survivalist squirrels away food like the first. But they do it in more balanced way encompassing vast varieties of nutrition since they can cook. But this type of survivalist is also a preservationist and can produce food as well consume it. They know all storage supplies eventually get used up. I fall into this second category of survivalists. but I am more survival based than preservationist based.

I do practice seed saving and have a large collection of seeds. If nothing else, the seeds will make great barter material and I can get the seeds I want for free. I also study primitive and self sufficiency skills in many areas.

I live on little cul de sac with about 8 homes. Got tons and tons of woods for foraging, hunting and wood fuel all around me. Not that our excessive deer population in out state will do much good after time goes by. The gun crazy people in my local will have thinned the herd to near extinction in short order when TEOTWAK arrives. And I have to wonder about the wood fuel as well...seven billion people can burn the trees. We need a big die off of the pop to make sustainability a reality in our world.

But the successful survivor extends his or her life beyond an earlier death...a death that was caused by ignorance of how to make that life last longer. So my hope as a successful survivor is to not be one of the early ones in any die off scenario that befalls mankind.

Yes, the farmer can grow his own food, but when the concrete jungles start emptying and the crazed and starving people start scurrying over the hills and dales canvassing the countryside for food? Well, I prefer to not be all alone in the wilderness. And I especially do not want to be in the boondocks when the gas runs out....to long a walk for me.

Now, no doubt it will not be like this for all farmers, but I'm most comfortable where I'm at in the best of both worlds for me. And in realty, if the only one's left to 'guard the US' are some farmers and the rest of us have starved to death...well you farmers had better start learning Chinese or Russian as your native language.


A resource list that some of you may find helpful:


The Alcohol Fuel Handbook / by Lynn Ellen Doxon.
by Doxon, Lynn Ellen

Art of Nothing
An excellent series of DVD's showcasing primitive skills:
http://www.hopspress.com/Videos/Art_of_Nothing.htm

Barnyard In Your Backyard
edited by Gail Damerow

Basic Essentials. Edible Wild Plants & Useful Herbs
by Meuninck, Jim

The Biodiesel Handbook
by Gerhard Knothe

The Bread Builders:hearth loaves and masonry ovens
by Wing, Daniel

Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook.
by Brown, Michael Halsey

Bushcraft
by Mors Kochanski
Great reference on primitive wood skills.

The Citizen-Powered Energy Handbook: community solutions to a global crisis
by Greg Pahl
http://www.chelseagreen.com/2007/items/citizenpowered

The Complete Book of Dutch Oven Cooking
by Fears, J. Wayne

The Complete Book of Fire: building campfires for warmth, light, cooking, and survival
by Tilton, Buck

The Complete Guide to Edible Wild Plants
by Lyle, Katie Letcher

Country Wisdom & Know-how
Numerous authors and publishers...all contain worthwhile information.
http://www.amazon.com/Country-Wisdom-Know-How-Editors-Publishings/dp/1579123686

Dancing at Armageddon: Survivalism and Chaos in Modern Times
by Richard G. Mitchell Jr

Edible Wild plants
by Meuninck, James

Edible Wild Plants of Pennsylvania and Neighboring states
by Medve, Richard J.

Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West
Gregory L. Tilford
http://www.amazon.com/Edible-Medicinal-Plants-Gregory-Tilford/dp/0878423591

Emergency Preparedness. Awareness & Survival
DVD Apogee Communication, 2006 - Highly Recommended.
http://www.apogeevideo.com/emergency/emergency.htm

Farming for Self-sufficiency
by John and Sally Seymour

Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants of Eastern and Central North America
by Peterson, Lee.

First Aid for Dogs.
Various authors under related titles...First Aid for Cats...Horses...Pets....even Insects!

Four-Season Harvest:organic vegetables from your home garden all year long.
by Eliot Coleman

Going Local: creating self-reliant communities in a global age
by Shuman, Michael

Grit Magazine
http://www.grit.com/

Guns and Ammo Magazine

House on a Budget:making smart choices to build the home you want.
by Duo Dickinson

How to Dry Foods
by DeLong, Deanna.

Life after doomsday
by Bruce D. Clayton

Making Your Own Motor Fuel
by Fred Stetson

Mother Earth Magazine
Al back issues available on CD ROM for nominal cost from:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/

Natural Home Heating: the complete guide to renewable energy options
by Pahl, Greg

Nutrition and well-being A to Z
Delores C.S. James editor

Peak Oil Survival: preparation for life after gridcrash
by McBay, Aric

Powerdown: options and actions for a post-carbon world
by Heinberg, Richard

Primitive Living, Self-sufficiency, and Survival Skills : a field guide to primitive living skills
by Elpel, Thomas J.

The Renewable Energy Handbook:a guide to rural independence, off-grid and sustainable living
by William H. Kemp

Seed to Seed: seed saving techniques for the vegetable gardener
by Ashworth, Suzanne

Shelters, Shacks, and shanties: the classic guide to building wilderness shelters
by Beard, Daniel Carter

U.S. Army combat skills handbook / Department of the Army.
Lyon's Press

Zips, Pipes, And Pens: Arsenal Of Improvised Weapons
by J. David Truby



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I´m now a rancher/farmer with little previous experience other than working the rice fields when I was in college.

Just harvested my first corn and watermelon crops and now have a crop of passion fruit actively growing. I´ll also be drilling a well and installing an irrigation system this year as well as building a structure to raise hogs (plan to sell 500 per month) and poultry too.

Gonna be a busy year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

And to add to my previous post, I´m doing a lot more investing in the place these first few years as opposed to living off of it. However, it will soon pay its own way, especially after the hog operation kicks in. Profit margins are really good here....on the order of 50% or more, but inflation is a bitch.

As for trucking, I´m actually opening a parallel operation for trucking.....the ranch gets first dibs on the trucks, afterwards, they work in the general marketpalce.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Very Happy - You said passionfruit and I nearly flipped. Passionfruit? Then I saw Venezuela and thought Shocked Venezuela?

The internet is amazing. Thanks for sharing - and good luck!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hagakure_Leofman wrote:
I'm from a high-tec background, designing and developing web sites, while I was living in central sydney australia. For 10 years I wasn't outside of a 10 minute walk to the center of the city. I paid over $500/week renting apartments and studios to product web sites for ethereal cosmetics companies, fashion people and photographers.

I got sick of it.

Moved to my grandparents farm to 'cool out' from burn out.

I stayed a little longer than I expected....

Now, I grow my own vegetables, look after my horses and cows. I still make web sites, only now only for horse people. Even this activity doesn't have the ring it used to. Nothing in that world compared to cutting hay so that you know you've got enough for the winter, or seeing your vegetables mature. We've recently got ourselves a house cow which we'll be milking soon.

[b]I'll never want that previous existence again. Get in touch with the soil, and you won't look back.


What nice comments, Hagakure, and how perfectly they frame my own opinions on this subject.

My background and transformation were similar to yours, except I dealt with the printed word, not high-tech.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks Heineken,
I didn't see your reply until now.

Good isn't it... there is a web site called path to freedom and it says it beautifully.... something like producing your own food is a radical and dangerous act... as it threatens to set you free.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Who went into farming? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Experience sort of builds on itself. I grew a few things in my grandfather's garden when I was little. My mother let me tend one of her beds when got older. Then I had had extensive landscaping and perennial beds around our first little house, and until we got a dog, I had a little 15x20' plot in the back yard.

When we moved to our small country place seven years ago, I put in a big garden, about 8,000 square feet. I just read the Johnny's Seeds catalogue because it has such wonderful cultivation information. In fact, I copy and paste each seed variety I grow into a log book, leaving room for notes as I learn stuff.

Then I attended a state sustainable ag. convention and met people doing what I was doing. I attended chapter meetings after that and grilled other people, went on farm tours, and read a lot of books, magazines, and websites.

Today we sell at a local market, 5 miles from us, a city market 50 miles from here, and run a 20-member CSA. We do this on less than two acres of ground, and we do it organically. We also raise laying hens and broilers, though the broilers are just for us.

PP, we can probably rig up something to take produce to the local village, though that needs more thought. We are rural, but there are probably enough people living around us who'd come to us. A lot of the area is getting built up as farmers die off and their offspring sell off the place to developers. Those who move in have no skills at all. We're still surrounded by countryside, but within a mile or two we'd have enough to sell or barter if we needed to. By the same token, we might have problems with theft if the situation got really bad, but I guess you deal with one thing at a time.

Another option is to devote the ground to fewer vegetables and more small grains. A sixth of an acre will grow 5 bushels of wheat. A scythe and a windy day will get it harvested and into storage.

These days I'm leading workshop session at the convention and hosting farm tours for people who want to do what we did on just a few acres. We plan to grow, but not to more than two people can handle, maybe 5 acres, max, as long as our current situation holds.

I do think anyone can do this. Start very small, build experience, and connect with people who know what you want to know. You can even work as an intern for a farmer. Check your state sustainable agriculture organization.

The thing is, if you don't start small now, you likely will not be able to accumulate enough skills fast enough to do it PP. It's one thing if the corn fails today. But if you're depending on it for food when what you grow is all you get? Well, it helps to have some experience.
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