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Ludi
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 Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: Why not just give up? |
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Why keep posting about how doomed we are and how hopeless it all is? Is it that much fun for you?
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roccman
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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1) I have two kids..
2) eating the food I grow is fun
3) knowing the "secrets" of man (thanks Golem) is fun
4) I am not ready to die.
5) posting doom is sport
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Shannymara
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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| Ludi wrote: | | Why keep posting about how doomed we are and how hopeless it all is? Is it that much fun for you? |
Sharing thoughts and feelings is a form of intimacy and a coping mechanism that's important to some people. It's not just mental masturbation and video game fantasies, not for everyone.
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pstarr
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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| roccman wrote: | 1) I have two kids..
2) eating the food I grow is fun
3) knowing the "secrets" of man (thanks Golem) is fun
4) I am not ready to die.
5) posting doom is sport |
Ludi, I would add there is hope in the world but it usually requires tremendous strength, vision, and above all education to see it. We have been trained to want what they deign to give us. But that is crap.
People will die (and short of roccman's global dimming) I intend to be one of the survivors. Not that hard really if you put your mind and heart to it. Make friends, find community, partake in daily pushups and occasional target shoots, learn and practice survival and above all have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This doomer crap is the best. It is like a comic book or science fiction movie. We (maybe just some of us) are programmed to enjoy catastrophe. Have you ever wondered why lots of people rubberneck at car accidents? The same reason people watch the news. I am not a sadist and I don't like killing but I do like excitement.
Have you spent much time in the woods? Jays, crows, chickadees, and squirrels seem to enjoy chaos. They arrive at noise and make noise themselves. One paleontological theory has early man a scavenger. Small troops of humans followed large predators like lions and the drove them from their kill. Maybe we look for chaos the same way?
Anyway I didn't mean to hijack this thread with silly theories but I think you know the answer. You were not designed to give up. It is not in the cards because you'd rather try and convince people of the truth. The giveruppers do not stay on this site and you are the original 
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wisconsin_cur
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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I am not doomed. Neither is any other individual foreordained to premature destruction.
I am a good test taker and the test of my life is coming up. I am preparing for the kind of real life essay questions that are coming my way. I read, I posit, I post, I reflect, I respond.
The time is coming when I will need to observe, posit, work, reflect, test, observe and work. I see this as a study group. We are not working on a team project but will each take the test in our own times and places and in our own communities. Here we quiz one another, attempt to anticipate the problems the professor (real world depletion) will throw our way.
There are no guarentees, but those who study hard stack the odds in their favor.
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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Thanks everyone, I just get pulled down by the doom sometimes. 
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Shannymara
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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| Ludi wrote: | | Thanks everyone, I just get pulled down by the doom sometimes. |
There's no shame in that, we all have different ways of coping. I've always tended to immerse myself in whatever I'm afraid of until it no longer scares me. For example, I was phobic (literally) of tornadoes from the time I was a little girl. So later on I became a tornado chaser and got a meteorology degree.
I was actually thinking about this thread just now while I was out feeding the goats. Among other things, it occurred to me that by that reasoning I should become a fascist dictator. 
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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Yes, I went into working on horror movies early in my career, because they had always scared me so much as a kid. So I know what you're saying.
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MacG
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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| Give up? Well, that's not the way things are done in my neck of the woods. Why give up? Death will come one day, that's for sure, but why give up in advance? Sounds rather stupid if you ask me. Nah, let's do like the terminally ill cancer patients and cling on to life to the bitter end. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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| Ludi wrote: | | Why keep posting about how doomed we are and how hopeless it all is? Is it that much fun for you? |
Let’s see.
Because not doing so is hard?
Doing otherwise makes one appear different from their peers?
One needs to make an effort to investigate for themselves the many reasons to make an individual effort?
Or perhaps this entire site is simply another talk?
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SpringCreekFarm
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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| MacG wrote: | | Give up? Well, that's not the way things are done in my neck of the woods. Why give up? Death will come one day, that's for sure, but why give up in advance? Sounds rather stupid if you ask me. Nah, let's do like the terminally ill cancer patients and cling on to life to the bitter end. |
Wow man! Well put!
I was going to post but I'll go with what Mac said and I'll add....
Some days I can read the doom and other days I just don't feel like it. I get that we are in for a shitty future. Part of living for today is to not dwell on it too much for it muddies the water in what would be me enjoying my life.
I really hate to offend anyone but if you think about it....
Doom is for losers as in "Oh what's the use, wer're doomed anyway" kind of thinking.
Not me.
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Kristen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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have you ever thought that maybe some people on here are sick and tired of the society we live in? Peak Oil gives hope that the culture we live in will end.
Also life is so routine, why not stir the pot up a bit. People are so use to comfort and instant everything and it is sickening to some. I am like a hill myself sometimes up and sometimes down. Just wanted to offer a different persepctive. |
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halcyon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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Because there is a region of the brain that is responsible for unrealistic optimism.
In a healthy individual that part of the brain works, if the person wants or not, regardless of education.
The situation may be dire to some, according to some statistics, but the only reasonable response from the point of view of life (today) is to stay optimistic.
Optimism is not a rational choice, but an evolutionary biological emotional response. |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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| Kristen wrote: | have you ever thought that maybe some people on here are sick and tired of the society we live in? Peak Oil gives hope that the culture we live in will end.
Also life is so routine, why not stir the pot up a bit. People are so use to comfort and instant everything and it is sickening to some. I am like a hill myself sometimes up and sometimes down. Just wanted to offer a different persepctive. |
If they are sick and tired of the way we live, why don't they try to live another way? That's what I'm doing.
If people are sickened by comfort, why don't they walk away from it?
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up? |
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| halcyon wrote: |
Optimism is not a rational choice, but an evolutionary biological emotional response. |
I would be the last person to claim to be rational!
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