How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Joined: Apr 06, 2005 Posts: 987 Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: Tracking fuel prices going into 2008
I'd like to start a thread for those in Europe that will track fuel prices for the next several months. Give me your current prices for a baseline and let's see where this goes. Also, feel free to add any observations regarding adjustments that you may notice with regard to daily driving habits in your locale. Don't forget to do the math for our friends in the US who are reading along. I'll start:
95 Octane gas at my local Tesco that we frequent went from 4.22PLN/litre to 4.36PLN/litre during my 2 week visit to the states. That translates to 20 cent/gallon increase (From $6.54 to $6.74). I haven't noticed any changes in the traffic.
I realize that most European drivers have more fuel efficient vehicles and that they drive shorter distances. Our car for example, gets 100-200PLN/week for gas, and that is only because we need to drive out to our property to check on the building progress. If we weren't doing that, it would probably be closer to 100PLN/month ($40).
So give me a baseline, and check back whenever you spot a significant change in the price. My goal is to see at what point we will all notice a change in people's driving behavior. I'll do the graphs.... _________________ Remember, with globalisation "everyone is a winner" in the "race to the bottom". - rogerhb
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. A.C. Clarke
No complaining though. With record weak dollar the price in the local currency have been pretty stable the last year. The Norwegian economy are doing great with record low unemployment rate (1-2%). Approximately 60% of the retail price is taxes (environment tax + sales tax), so our socialist goverment will have more money to spend than ever.
Joined: Apr 06, 2005 Posts: 987 Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Tracking fuel prices going into 2008
Back down to 4.23PLN. No major changes. Up/down, carry on. See you in 2008.
Will be interesting to see what happens when all the Poles working in the UK return.
Still waiting for more baseline data from your country. _________________ Remember, with globalisation "everyone is a winner" in the "race to the bottom". - rogerhb
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. A.C. Clarke
Joined: Sep 17, 2005 Posts: 133 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Tracking fuel prices going into 2008
Dutch fuel prices. The National Average Price advised by the major oil companies as of 17 december. ( http://www.nu.nl/rubriek.jsp?n=937979&c=1001 )
Per Liter
Euro95: 1,507 = 8,23$/gallon
Super plus: 1,574 = 8,60$/gallon
Diesel: 1,195 = 6,53$/gallon
LPG: 0,685 = 3,74$/gallon
Joined: Apr 06, 2005 Posts: 987 Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Tracking fuel prices going into 2008
Just noticed after driving past the same Tesco today that the price has recently dropped back down to 4.09PLN (about $6.24/gallon) per litre. That from a recent high of about 4.39 PLN. That would be a change of more than .50cents/gallon. Its good for us, because we have been doing more driving than normal lately.
Anyone else seeing substantial price drops at the pump? _________________ Remember, with globalisation "everyone is a winner" in the "race to the bottom". - rogerhb
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. A.C. Clarke
Joined: Apr 06, 2005 Posts: 987 Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Tracking fuel prices going into 2008
Wow. So for Euro95 at 4.09 PLN I paid 1.137 Euro. I saw another place today selling Euro95 for 3.99 PLN = 1.109 Euro. When I see it get below 1 Euro/litre, then I will concede that demand destuction is indeed taking place (somewhere).
Note: PLN is/was doing pretty well against Euro recently. _________________ Remember, with globalisation "everyone is a winner" in the "race to the bottom". - rogerhb
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. A.C. Clarke
But how far do you have to drive in Iceland? Is public transportation decent (at least in the capital)? Seems like the country is small enough that trains and buses should be a viable option also. Maybe even coastal ferries. _________________ Remember, with globalisation "everyone is a winner" in the "race to the bottom". - rogerhb
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. A.C. Clarke
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Tracking fuel prices going into 2008
lateStarter wrote:
But how far do you have to drive in Iceland? Is public transportation decent (at least in the capital)? Seems like the country is small enough that trains and buses should be a viable option also. Maybe even coastal ferries.
I think that 10-20 km to work is normal. Public transport is not decent and its difficult to make it better because the capital area is mostly low density, car dependant, suburban sprawl. But it works for me though. So most people are using cars and the traffic is ridiculus compared to the small population size. Poll from last year showed that 73% drive alone to work, just 4% are passengers and 7% use bus.
There is one chance of make things better and thats moving the airfield in the downtown area, and free up some space for a high density walkabe area. But I doubt that will ever happen
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Tracking fuel prices going into 2008
I paid 0,99 Euro / kg for natural gas using my employers VW Touran EcoFuel (80kW) that drives with compressed (200bar) natural gas...
With 18kg (= full tank) you can drive ~310km (= ~5,8kg/100km) + there is small gasoline tank that adds 13l and maybe another 100-150km "reserve".
I'm to lazy to translate that into $/gallon equivalents.
I don't need a own car. I can walk to work within 5 minutes, walk to the next publik tranport system within 3 minutes and walk to the main station within 20 minutes living quite in the middle of my 0.5 million city
And it's gonna be more expensive. My hometown of Trondheim, Norway will soon introduce a local environment tax on gasoline, around 60 cents per gallon. The extra money (around $40 million each year) is going exclusively to subsidize public transportation though.
Prices have risen quite a bit. Dont know if it's any use calculating it in dollars as it has devaluated.
The record stands at 1,553/L = $9,05/gallon for regular (euro95) from just a few weeks ago. _________________ The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones.
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