How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Loki: I'm sorry you don't like the word "partner". How about "companion"?!?
I do agree with you about the lack of curiosity, I wasn't curious about anything until my boyfriend talked to me about PO. However, I'd long been convinced that our system is fatally flawed and was ready to make changes.
Ludi: That's quite a burden, I'm ready to tear my hair out just hearing about it. Obviously we are all in the same spot, one way or another. _________________ ...the rest of you just beat your useless gums at the moon like jimson weed goats. - efarmer
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Loki wrote:
Sorry to be rude (OK, not really), but what's the deal with the use of the term "partner"? Are you detectives working on a case? Is this like "battle buddy" in the Army---you watch my back, I'll watch yours? I can see fags like killJOY using it, but why do heteros insist on using this silly term?
As for me, I'm blissfully single and will probably stay that way. Even the females at my work, all of them "progressives" and environmentalists (kind of), don't seem to have a clue about Peak Oil. Actually, now that I think about it, they just plain don't have a clue---the kind of stuff my female co-workers are interested in just strikes me as inane nonsense. I'm sure there are exceptions out there, but I have yet to meet a woman in meat space who is really clued in to the crap that is going to be hitting the fan. I ascribe it to a lack of intellectual curiosity.
I know what you mean. What ever happened to 'wives' or 'husbands?'
Oh that's right, you'll never know because you are a f#cking homophobic jughead and only other f*cking homophobic jugheads would be the least bit interested in you. But then that would be interbreeding. right? _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Loki wrote:
I'm sure there are exceptions out there, but I have yet to meet a woman in meat space who is really clued in to the crap that is going to be hitting the fan. I ascribe it to a lack of intellectual curiosity.
Okay loki. Let me give it another try. If you weren't such a d#ck maybe you'd go after women who weren't such c*nts.
Or about this. When you stop trying to be so 'male" you might find an intelligent 'women'
any of this sinking in? _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 268 Location: Rural Western Idaho
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
I am not new to the Peak Oil forums - just new to posting here. My husband has been an active poster for a number of years, and frequently shares with me what he reads, as well as valuable links to good info.
My answer to the question posed here is "yes".
The reason is that I am less prone to worry about peak oil, and more prone to do accept what is coming, and do what can be done on a personal level.
This is not to say that I never worry. For example, as a medical practitioner, I am concerned that if the "sudden crash and burn" way of thinking is correct (which I don't think it will be), a lot of people in need of meds could be in a lot of trouble - ugly, painful trouble.
I also worry about our kids, all of whom understand the concept of peak oil, and none of whom are actively involved in doing anything to situate themselves to be prepared.
Fortunately for them and us, my husband and I were able to buy a small farm a few years ago. It was very, very neglected land, but has plenty of artesian water, and excellent soil. There is much to be done before it will be self-sustaining. But then there will be room and sufficient food production for the kids, the spouses of the two who are married (so far), and the grandkids -- plus any more spouses and/or grandkids that arrive.
We are planning toward 2010 for self-sustenance in great part, and 2012 for off the grid, or mostly off the grid ... we hope.
What I find to be causing strain is that I am one who wants to know, then wants to plan, then wants to take action. I do not focus my energies on the big picture. I focus my energies on what actually can be done, right here, by us, in this household. (That includes sharing peak oil info with other people education-wise, but then letting it go if they choose not to acknowledge, respond, do anything with the info.)
My husband wants to do the same, but often becomes overwhelmed by the big picture -- the HUGE picture -- of the impact of peak oil. (He is also much more troubled than I am about people not listening when we try to share the reality about peak oil with them.) This being overwhelmed puts a real strain on things between us, because instead of consistently spurring him on toward greater action to accomplish our plans, it seems to paralyze him at times. Just the opposite of my response.
I think that his continuing to study and read more and more and more about what he and I both already know to be true (peak oil) just makes him affirmed in that knowledge, but not significantly more knowledgeable. And it certainly does not help in any practical way towards the doing of what needs to be done ... which in our case is now more important than the knowing of WHY it needs to be done.
Once you know it, you know it. Get on with it.
There is LOTS of valuable info on the peak oil forums, which I really appreciate hearing about. We have learned lots from links other people here have provided, for example.
But ongoing, often over-the-top expenditure of time-and-personal-energy (of all kinds ... mental, physical, spirtual, emotional) into talking, posting, reading and ruminating about all the terrible things that might well happen -- well, to me that is counterproductive to preparing. I see that happen with him, and I'll bet it happens with lots of other folks, too.
Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 1076 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Has PO strained my marriage? I try not to let it.
My husband, as most of you know, doesn't think things will ever be very different than they are now. He just dropped ten grand on a HDTV and a home theater system.
Fortunately we have the money (we got out of the SoCal housing bubble at the top and moved east, making a nice bit of cash in the deal while buying a bigger house on more land), so we don't have financial arguments. He doesn't care about my preparation purchases either.
I read articles to him about various things going on. I think it's starting to sink in that things might head south soon.
Along in all this I realized that I like being outdoors and working with my hands, and I like learning new stuff. So life is good. _________________ What, so I'm in no end game
Move my piece right off the board
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Loki wrote:
Sorry to be rude (OK, not really), but what's the deal with the use of the term "partner"? Are you detectives working on a case? Is this like "battle buddy" in the Army---you watch my back, I'll watch yours? I can see fags like killJOY using it, but why do heteros insist on using this silly term?
Well, Dunewalker (formerly Woodcutter here on PO) is 60 years old so calling him a 'boyfriend' sounds a little silly. He's not my husband. So what shall I call him? "Partner" works.
I also like the androgynous-ness of the word -- if someone doesn't already know me well enough to know that my partner is a guy, they don't really NEED to know that -- let 'em wonder, I say... _________________ "It's not that hard times are coming, it's that soft times are going."
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Lumpy wrote:
But ongoing, often over-the-top expenditure of time-and-personal-energy (of all kinds ... mental, physical, spirtual, emotional) into talking, posting, reading and ruminating about all the terrible things that might well happen -- well, to me that is counterproductive to preparing. I see that happen with him, and I'll bet it happens with lots of other folks, too.
THAT puts a strain on things around here.
As a medical practitioner, you should know that ruminating is one of the roots of depression.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Partner is okay.
It would be great if the title could reflect the state of the relationship, too. I think many people consider their partners a cost rather than a benefit, so how about "significant bother" instead of significant other?
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
threadbear wrote:
Partner is okay.
It would be great if the title could reflect the state of the relationship, too. I think many people consider their partners a cost rather than a benefit, so how about "significant bother" instead of significant other?
Yes - Partner is ok...
Roll dog works too. _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Loki wrote:
Pstarr, my capacity to suffer liberal PC jackasses such as yourself has peaked along with the world's oil production. Now I just call a spade a spade.
How about we just replace the word partner with the phrase "Fark buddy", eh? Is that better?
I broke up with my last Fark buddy 5 months ago and it had nothing to do with po, in fact, I never discuss po with my friends or Fark buddies. I broke up with her because she was getting fat, I told her to lose weight or hit the highway. She chose the latter and she just keeps gettin' fatter.
Joined: Nov 25, 2006 Posts: 1361 Location: New York area
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
hubbertspeak7777777 wrote:
How about we just replace the word partner with the phrase "Fark buddy", eh? Is that better?
I broke up with my last Fark buddy 5 months ago and it had nothing to do with po, in fact, I never discuss po with my friends or Fark buddies. I broke up with her because she was getting fat, I told her to lose weight or hit the highway. She chose the latter and she just keeps gettin' fatter.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
Narz wrote:
hubbertspeak7777777 wrote:
How about we just replace the word partner with the phrase "Fark buddy", eh? Is that better?
I broke up with my last Fark buddy 5 months ago and it had nothing to do with po, in fact, I never discuss po with my friends or Fark buddies. I broke up with her because she was getting fat, I told her to lose weight or hit the highway. She chose the latter and she just keeps gettin' fatter.
What a tragedy she lost you, you sound like quite a catch.
That's okay... I'm sure she'll have the buffets to keep her busy.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
hubbertspeak7777777 wrote:
Narz wrote:
hubbertspeak7777777 wrote:
How about we just replace the word partner with the phrase "Fark buddy", eh? Is that better?
I broke up with my last Fark buddy 5 months ago and it had nothing to do with po, in fact, I never discuss po with my friends or Fark buddies. I broke up with her because she was getting fat, I told her to lose weight or hit the highway. She chose the latter and she just keeps gettin' fatter.
What a tragedy she lost you, you sound like quite a catch.
That's okay... I'm sure she'll have the buffets to keep her busy.
My wife said that it appears I spend as much time on the computer ruminating about PO as my Republic of Texas neighbors who are constantly searching for ways to overthrow the government (peacefully). She thinks I've gone a little overboard on the time I spend reading about it...she believes in the whole package but says the people won't believe it until it happens, better to be prepared as possible...
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Has PO strained your marriage/relationship?
I share the mindset with everybody here that just wants to dig in and be prepared. I think there is a ton of useful information on this forum and at the same time, I see from the posts here that there are quite a few people overwhelmed with "the big picture".
Lumpy: I agree with you, I just want to get stuff done and make life as good as it can be. If I sit and think about the million reasons why my family and I might not make it post-peak, there would be no reason to carry on. BTW, thanks for your post!!!
Partner, BF, GF, Roll Dog, Fark Buddy (WTH?) ????
How about Wingman? That's the person that's got your back, right? _________________ ...the rest of you just beat your useless gums at the moon like jimson weed goats. - efarmer
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