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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Concerned wrote:
LoneSnark wrote:
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And the one thing that most of them have as an "investment" is their
home, and that's been a questionable investment for many of them lately.

Home ownership is setting new highs.

How many people own their own home as opposed to pretending to
own something that the bank has title over.

If I loaned you my car do you own it? Most people would probably say
no yet when you loan your home of a bank people think they own it
hahahahahaha Laughing
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Yeah, I'd say "bank ownership" is setting new highs. All my
grandparents and many relatives built or fully owned their houses.
How many people of this generation can say they presently own
everything they've got? Or can even hope to in the next 40 years?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I own everything I've got and have done so since I was 24.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

LoneSnark wrote:
I own everything I've got and have done so since I was 24.


trust funder, you planted agent.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I own everything I call mine as well. Worked hard, never went into debt. Going into debt is the ultimate example of playing the other man's game. I'm sure you've heard the old saying, "never play the other man's game."

~4000 years ago it was written, "the borrower is the servant of the lender" the value of staying out of debt never has been a secret.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If you have to pay property tax to keep it you are nothing more than a serf.

Tithe on!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

LoneSnark wrote:
I own everything I've got and have done so since I was 24.


The bank owns 20% of my home.

I'm soooooo happy to be paying back those dreamed up fractional dollars at interest.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I own all my properties. My tenants pay property taxes as well, it's included in the rent.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

MarkJames wrote:
I own all my properties. My tenants pay property taxes as well, it's included in the rent.


slum-lord.......
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If there's no bread on the shelves, buy a 100 pound bag of wheat at the animal feed store, winnow it in the breeze to shake out chaff and dust, pack in plastic trash bag and set bag inside plastic tub.

To prepare a very large meal, or a part of three meals, scoop out a cup of wheat and soak it in water for 24 hours. Then strain off the water, rinse the wheat grains, and soak them in fresh water. After another 24 hours, they should be sprouted 1/16 to 1/8 inch and are ready for eating. You can eat straight for a salad-like dish, or mix with soup or stew.

For bread, don't soak. Grind the dry grains into flour and use just as you would store-bought whole wheat flour.

There are other ways to get flour. Some wild plants, such as certain grasses, and goldenrod, have seeds that can be ground into an edible flour.

You can also get starchy tubers (e.g. potato, arrowhead). Parsnip grows wild (YELLOW flowers, NOT white!). You can make teas from coltsfoot, violet, clover, comfrey, wild strawberry, mint, sassafras root... lots of things. You can make coffee substitute by roasting the roots of dandelion, chicory, and other stuff I don't remember off the top of my head. Lambs quarter, wild lettuce, nettles, young poke shoots, and lots of other plants can be eaten as greens.

I've got some "eat a forest for dinner" books and this year I'm going to see how many of those edible plants I can find in my yard and in the woods around it. I've got lots of Staghorn sumac shrubs around me, and I recently learned how to use them to make pink faux lemonade.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Wheat crop is about 5" to 6" high in the back lot, grain mill in the basement. Grain mill can run on 110 v., gasoline, or hand crank. LP in tanks, and gas stove, cast iron cookware, bacon grease, and stashed baking powder, plus wood stove and the whole nine yards to make it sustainable. There WILL be bread on MY shelves. And I have good reason to believe that I will continue to have it. I've been called a lot of things, but hungry wasn't one of them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

patience wrote:
Wheat crop is about 5" to 6" high in the back lot, grain mill in the
basement. Grain mill can run on 110 v., gasoline, or hand crank. LP in
tanks, and gas stove, cast iron cookware, bacon grease, and stashed
baking powder, plus wood stove and the whole nine yards to make it
sustainable. There WILL be bread on MY shelves. And I have good
reason to believe that I will continue to have it. I've been called a lot
of things, but hungry wasn't one of them.
I'd call you cool, cause that setup sounds darn cool to me! Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Somebody said, "Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement." Maybe we overdo it a bit, but we've seen hard times before. My uncle learned to plant a wide variety of stuff in the garden after the Great Depression when he had the mistfortune to have nothing but turnips for a while. He said, "You can get REAL tired of turnips, three times a day."

Once when I was a kid we sold out the old laying hens to the cannery, and being hard up, we filled the freezer with chicken before the truck came to get 'em. I ate mostly chicken for most of a year, and I still don't care for it much.

I'm afraid that a number of posters here haven't had such experiences, but, to their credit, they are prepping anyway! Don't listen to the naysayers. You probably aren't overdoing anything.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

"If the peasants have no bread, then let them eat cake"

Marie-Antoinette (1755-93), the Queen consort of Louis XVI of France
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

GASMON wrote:
"If the peasants have no bread, then let them eat cake"

Marie-Antoinette (1755-93), the Queen consort of Louis XVI of France
Not unlike our leaders today... Rolling Eyes

Giuliani Stumped Over Price Of Milk, Bread
"A gallon of milk is probably about a $1.50" - Rudy Giuliani
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/rudy.giuliani.sen.2.243502.html
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: No bread on the shelves Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There will always be bread on some shelves.

The deal is the gaining ability to stock your shelf by a means you can sustain.


Way back there was a saying:

Life is like a crap Sandwich:

The more bread you have the less crap you have to eat.



A cute remembrance today...
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