Peak oil: Do you want it to occur?

nutmeg · Tar Sands Joined: Dec 16, 2007 Posts: 49

I want peak oil to happen because I can't stand the sight of the useless eaters any more. I want to see a global die-off and/or kill-off and I don't care if I am one of the ones who dies or is killed. I'll make my best effort to survive it, if for no other reason than to see the useless eaters get their comeuppance and dance on the graves of billions and enjoy a massively less populated planet.

Remember the old poster with the two vultures, and one of them says, "Patience my ass . . . I'm going to kill something."

jeezlouise · Heavy Crude Joined: Feb 05, 2006 Posts: 303

Oil-Finder: I think this is a BS question. Oil production will peak sooner or later (or already has) regardless of what we want. I get the feeling that what you really meant to ask was:

"Do you want to see the violent destruction of civilization within your lifetime so you can participate in it, because you are a minsanthropic doombat?"

Personally, to that, I'd have to say no. But there are plenty of non-doomers on this board who will answer your original question with a "yes" because they'd rather get whatever ill effects of the production backslide over with now, rather than put it off until the world's population is even larger and, as such, the total suffering might be greater.

Pixie

bl00k

Twilight · Expert Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 2971 Location: UK

I didn't want the wheels to skid.
I didn't want the airbag to deploy.
I didn't want the blood on my face.

But I was better off that way than with my foot on the gas a little bit longer.

Peak oil only looks bad until you consider the alternative.

I did not want either. But I hope the brake does enough all the same.
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Oil-Finder

Well, these poll results so far confirm what I've already said several times during my brief time here: The majority of you believe in peak oil because you want oil production to peak, not because you truthfully care whether there is a lot of oil left in the ground or not.

In response to a couple of comments, the whole purpose of this poll had nothing to do with whether anyone believes oil production will peak sometime soon or not. I merely want to know what you peak oilers desire. That is the only purpose of this poll.

Twilight · Expert Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 2971 Location: UK

I voted no.

But that's a formality.

Here is the interesting part. Do you think it makes a difference?
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Nicholai

Peak Oiler will only debate within his own threads, and will always make a structured circumstance to keep the argument within the bounds that he desires, to achieve the point that he desires.

He says that with billions of barrels left in P2 and P3 oil, we're fine. Nothing else matters, we have lots, problem solved. Sure we're not building the infrastructure needed to offset the massive depletion going on in the world's major conventional fields, but that's not a problem right?

I asked him to show me a chart of every field coming online for every field going into depletion, to prove that there will be a problem-free transition from conventional to unconventional sources. He could not deliver. (ex, for every 0.5 mbd of production lost from Cantarel, 0.1 mbd would be increased in Alberta, 0.1 in Venezuela, 0.1 in Kuwait, 0.1 in Russia, 0.1 in X)

He'll avoid the specifics of my argument once again to offer a heavily linked article with a lengthy generalized argument...just as he always does.

Pretorian

whereagles

Oil-Finder

Nicolai, before I gave you a link to The Oil Drum's own megaprojects database. If you aren't satisfied with that, there's nothing more I can do.

As I said before, the purpose of this poll is to ascertain peak oiler's desires. Is there any particular reason why every single thread must turn into a thread on everything and anything to do with peak oil? Or, is it possible to have specific threads on specific topics? I hope the latter.

Twilight · Expert Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 2971 Location: UK

You still have not explained why desires matter.
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Oil-Finder

Nicholai

Why would I ever WANT to believe in peak oil? I'm 18, I live in the suburbs, I'm going to college, I have very little money to stalk up, I have a nice family and wonderful parents...why would I want to see it all come down?

I understand that the rate of depletion in the world's major fields is much faster than the rate of expansion from our unconventional sources. I also understand that China increased its energy consumption by 20% in 2005 (largest growth in one year in all of human history for an industrialized country) and supply is quickly being outpaced by demand. Demand is growing faster than any other time in history and supply is becoming harder and more expensive to find/produce. Not only that, but Saudi Arabia still isn't revealing its reserve details, meaning that the world is still unsure at what pace we must work to build up our unconventional sources to avoid any major supply shocks.

Alberta will never produce 5 mbd, if you read the Edmonton Journal everyday, you would understand that such a goal (for any long period of time) is madness.

Oil-Finder