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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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BEIJING/HONG KONG (Reuters) - China is facing its most severe power shortage ever as some plants struggle to secure increasingly costly coal and others shut down capacity rather than rack up losses by selling electricity at low rates.

The rebellion by power plant managers unwilling to generate at a loss is likely to worry policymakers still haunted by the nationwide diesel supply crisis last autumn, when refiners under similar pressure quietly curbed output and forced the government to make an unplanned and unwanted rise in fuel prices.


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They're 70 GB short - greater than the electrical production of the UK.

In a snow-covered China, entire regions are without electricity and gas

China's State Grid urges government to intervene in power crisis

China Shuts 5% of Coal-Fired Power Plants on Shortage
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Power prices are going to have to go up, which means production costs go up and widget prices go up. People in China and abroad are going to start to realize that their money doesn't go as far as it used to.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm in Nanjing right now, and as far as I can see this is an unprecedented situation. Here a light snowfall happens two or three times a decade, so I'm told, but the weather I've seen over the last two weeks has been the same as I saw in the Russian Urals a few years ago. The snowfall is now heavy and relentless. All my friends are having problems with plumbing/ice, a couple of people I know are stuck at the airport facing huge delays, another friend has lost his heating.
And we're the lucky ones. At least we still have power! China has banned exports of coal because the situation is so dire with the New Year holiday coming up:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-01/26/content_7499418.htm

I'm just praying my flight for Shenzhen will leave OK on Wednesday..
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

FreakOil wrote:
Power prices are going to have to go up, which means production costs go up and widget prices go up. People in China and abroad are going to start to realize that their money doesn't go as far as it used to.


I agree. I think the Chinese leadership have made a lot of good decisions over the years, but where they make bad ones it seems to be connected with fear of public backlash. It is a terrible mistake to suppress fuel price rises. The same mistake seems to have been made in Indonesia.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ekaggata wrote:
It is a terrible mistake to suppress fuel price rises. The same mistake seems to have been made in Indonesia.


... and India, and Malaysia, and Burma/Myanmar, and Japan ...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The problem right now seems to be a continent wide bout of cold weather, but the fundamental problem is that energy is subsidised in China. Count on that not changing, because the Chinese government is afraid of inflation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Starvid wrote:
Count on that not changing, because the Chinese government is afraid of inflation.


The Chinese government is probably more afraid of the people trying to pull off a second Cultural Revolution because they are fed up with the rising inflation, than of inflation per se. Food is up on average 18% for the Chinese folks and since food takes up to a third of their average paychecks, it's a big political issue.

They are faced with their own peculiar version of the Fed dilemma - damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

500,000 people cheek-to-jowl around the Guangzhou train station? Cold and flu season?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tidbit no. 4357 :
Today in the Shenzhen Daily I read that a military plane was sent yesterday into a city in Hubei province to deliver .. wait for it .. 500,000 candles.
Shock

I personally think the whole of 2008 is going to be a fairly ugly wake up call for China.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

They are supposed to be communists (and a totalitarian regime), now they are just greedy capitalists destroying their country (and a totalitarian regime)

Soon they will regret the years when their streets were full of bicycle riding people.
And the people of Cuba will soon realize they live a good life compared to others, look at Haiti.
Cuba has urban gardens, gardening clubs and no foreign companies using the land for ethanol. Haiti has "capitalism" and dirt - good to eat
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: Re: Record power shortage hits China Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ekaggata wrote:
Tidbit no. 4357 :
Today in the Shenzhen Daily I read that a military plane was sent yesterday into a city in Hubei province to deliver .. wait for it .. 500,000 candles.
Shock

I personally think the whole of 2008 is going to be a fairly ugly wake up call for China.


Recession hits the U.S. Americans buy less stuff. The factories that make that stuff close down. The workers get laid off. They head back home to work the fields and - surprise! - the fields are covered with industrial sludge.

That's pretty ugly, indeed.
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