Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Why am i so confident? Because technology revolutions like this have
spectacular innovation in their early phase e.g. wright brothers to flying the
atlantic in 20 years, first fission reaction to first reactor within a decade.
Hang on to your hats.
No doubt doomers will opine the usual:
Too little too late, infrastructure may need changing, where do we get the raw materials, environmental byproducts etc.
The world ain't perfect, never was and never will be.
But the odds are very high that we will use the most powerful
force on earth- life itself (which draws all its energy from the sun)-
to do the work for us.
It will be a crowded and not very pleasant plant- perhaps- but
we will survive.
So yeah, business as usual for quite a while to come.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
pstarr wrote:
Are you ever clueless.
Very helpful.
Let's see, you object to bacteria using free energy from the sun
with an efficiency no man made process can rival to convert
our waste to fuel is a bad thing?
And i mean here fuel of usable quality, in unmodified engines,
with unmodified transport infrastructure.
The board has moaned about ROI and all the rest in terms of
"there's nothing that can replace the cheapness, calorific
content of light sweet crude in the time scale we have."
Well buddy it is just round the corner with an efficiency that can
be dialed in through the genome.
There is no force greater than that of life itself. Because it's
direct from the sun. Our entire complement of nuclear weapons
is nothing compared to what the sun bathes us in by the week.
And we're just about to get it working for us.
We will grow our houses, grow new materials harder than steel
or kevlar, neutralize waste and suck carbon from the atmosphere.
Most doomer cults have always ignored technology.
But i forgive you my son, welcome to the new world.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
americandream wrote:
Synthesised DNA. Interesting. The potential is endless if the technology works. Who knows, maybe this might just work..fingers crossed.
Time will tell.
Absolutely endless potential!
Consider that the man reason that asia has the population is does
is thru the application of "green revolution" crops that maximise
yield but need fertilisers etc. Without them, these populations would
be much lower.
Now consider that the breeding technology that developed these
crops is like changing the spark plugs and carb on a car, while
DNA technology will literally change the entire engine.
Truly, this is comparable to the invention of the steam engine.
That allowed mines to go deeper (pumps), factories to work
24 hr days, the age of empires and the industrial revolution.
It had huge social impacts as well.
I expect exactly the same scale of upheaval/change to occur
from molecular biology.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
moobradidi wrote:
It will be a crowded and not very pleasant plant- perhaps- but
we will survive.
So yeah, business as usual for quite a while to come.
So "Crowded and not very pleasant" is business as usual? Not where I come from...
You are proposing we run our cars on fuels synthesized from trash? That's fine, in a specific context, but surely you understand where that leads us in the long run. The world has a fixed amount of usable material in it, y'know.
And I do hope the scienticians have figured out how to keep the untold quadrillions of bacteria that are powering our new world from mutating spontaneously. They'll organize themselves into the shape of a monkey wrench in no time!
But yeah, other than that - yay for us! We should start making plans to either make cremation mandatory or bury people standing up. Oh wait... those bodies are fuel!!
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
I certainly hope they don't screw up along the way.
On the other hand; at the end of that road I see sterile landscapes and dead seas with mile-upon-mile of tank farms growing food, releasing oxygen, and converting energy.
Cyborg planet here we come! Yummy! _________________ "It's still all about energy!"
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
moobradidi wrote:
No doubt doomers will opine the usual:
Too little too late, infrastructure may need changing, where do we get the raw materials, environmental byproducts etc.
The world ain't perfect, never was and never will be.
Seriously where do we get the raw materials from? They have to consume something. Can one robot consume more than a specific product e.g. black garbage bag plactic or can one robot just be set loose on landfill and it can multiply and systematically go through everything?
What if the robot goes beyond landfill and enters a house and mulches that?
I don't recall any doomers talking about a perfect world. The perfect shitstorm then yes definately.
I'd rate the chances of this technology along the lines of space elevators, fusion and mining asteroids.
Interesting that the yeast culture turns out to be so useful in creating these DNA robots _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
thankyou so much for this revelation, i was completlely wrong about peak oil. This new system sounds great, just yank out every single cubic metre of earth on the planet and feed it into a machine. Hell the great barrier reef has xxxx billion barrels which should keep capatilism going for another xxxx years.
Take this #%&# elsewhere please. _________________ This story will be told for generations!
Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 1136 Location: Central Texas
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
So this is the world that people can look forward to if this technology is implemented and successful (which I doubt), a planet that is wall-to-wall people like in that old Star Trek episode The Mark of Gideon :
Glad I won't be around. _________________ About my avatar: Guess.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
Well there seems to be an air of scepticism here.
But we have to face facts. The future will not be based on your
aesthetic preferences but on what will be done to ensure survival.
Personally i'd prefer this new scenario to dentistry without drugs,
childbirth in a tent, 1920s medicine.
Debate on this board is really about values:
utopians wanting a pristine world dominated by the beauty of nature,
pragmatists like myself recognising that nature is often very ugly.
And so are people, but we generally choose ourselves over nature
if it's a question of survival.
I would not wish death from stomach cancer on anyone, let alone
in a world without modern pain relief.
If you think smog filled cities are horrific, try life pre polio vaccine,
smallpox and the rest. Try life expectancy dropped by 30 years.
Try counting the number of conditions treatable in the last
50 years and losing the diagnostic technology behind it.
And as for where the resources come from to fuel the new microbes.. well try the refuse mountains that are manila and
mexico city. Try acid lakes, toxic waste dumps, sewage plants,
exhaust stacks, effluent pipes and the very air breathed in
cities. Try tar sands with more energy in them than the whole
middle east.
As for its impossibility/feasibility. Consider that it took less than
half the time predicted to map the human genome. I now know several people conceived in a test tube (horrific horrific),
stem cell research is a freight train.
People this will come. There is no stopping it and although there
are certainly risks, we really have no choice and the bulk of the
population will embrace it if the choices are as stark as people
here claim.
No-one stopped the steam engine and it changed the world.
Soon we will design genetic engines that will change
everything.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
PeakOiler wrote:
So this is the world that people can look forward to if this technology is implemented and successful (which I doubt), a planet that is wall-to-wall people like in that old Star Trek episode The Mark of Gideon :
Glad I won't be around.
If you were chinese or indian, you'd see nothing wrong about it.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
like_the_dinosaurs wrote:
thankyou so much for this revelation, i was completlely wrong about peak oil. This new system sounds great, just yank out every single cubic metre of earth on the planet and feed it into a machine. Hell the great barrier reef has xxxx billion barrels which should keep capatilism going for another xxxx years.
Take this #%&# elsewhere please.
Why would we touch the barrier reef? Not as though we don't
have enough waste/refuse to process both stored/present and
also being produced this very moment.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6623 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
As long as the emphasis continues to be on eleventh-hour techno miracles that are intended to maintain or even expand the current destructive regime . . .
WE'RE DOOMED.
As long as we refuse to discuss rational population reduction, powering down, localizing, restoring natural systems, and making personal sacrifices . . .
WE'RE DOOMED. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil is over
Concerned wrote:
moobradidi wrote:
No doubt doomers will opine the usual:
Too little too late, infrastructure may need changing, where do we get the raw materials, environmental byproducts etc.
The world ain't perfect, never was and never will be.
Seriously where do we get the raw materials from? They have to consume something. Can one robot consume more than a specific product e.g. black garbage bag plactic or can one robot just be set loose on landfill and it can multiply and systematically go through everything?
What if the robot goes beyond landfill and enters a house and mulches that?
I don't recall any doomers talking about a perfect world. The perfect shitstorm then yes definately.
I'd rate the chances of this technology along the lines of space elevators, fusion and mining asteroids.
All technologies have risks. Life is never risk free.
Molecular biology research has several orders of magnitude more money behind it than space elevators, fusion etc. Moreover
the progress hits the press almost daily.
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