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aahala
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 Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | | What does everyone think about Cullulose ethanol and biomass to liquids potential? I think they are promising and so does the company. |
It shows "great promise", similiar to nuclear fussion. And both
have shown great promise for a long time. What we need is
less promise and more actual results. |
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Aaron
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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I think it's a snow job intended to provide "investment vehicles" for uninformed investors.
Can this technology make money?
You bet.
Can this technology make energy?
Not Really.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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| Aaron wrote: | I think it's a snow job intended to provide "investment vehicles" for uninformed investors.
Can this technology make money?
You bet.
Can this technology make energy?
Not Really. |
Which, oil or biofuels? For all I know you could be talking about both. 
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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| yesplease wrote: | | Aaron wrote: | I think it's a snow job intended to provide "investment vehicles" for uninformed investors.
Can this technology make money?
You bet.
Can this technology make energy?
Not Really. |
Which, oil or biofuels? For all I know you could be talking about both. |
Get over it yesplease. Your skeptic routine is wearing thin. You must know by now that no one has ever made money from the sale of cellulosic ethanol in a purely market-driven commercial enterprise. Besides having a negative energy return, the product has never had a single customer.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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| pstarr wrote: | | Get over it yesplease. Your skeptic routine is wearing thin. You must know by now that no one has ever made money from the sale of cellulosic ethanol in a purely market-driven commercial enterprise. Besides having a negative energy return, the product has never had a single customer. |
Get over it pstarr. Your doomer routine is wearing thin. You must know by now that some have made money off of the sale of biomass in a purely market-driven commercial enterprise. Besides having a positive energy return, the product has had many customers.
In the future you may want to thoroughly read the OP and I's posts before trolling. The OP referred to biomass to liquids and in my posts I never referred to cellulosic ethanol.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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| yesplease wrote: | | pstarr wrote: | | Get over it yesplease. Your skeptic routine is wearing thin. You must know by now that no one has ever made money from the sale of cellulosic ethanol in a purely market-driven commercial enterprise. Besides having a negative energy return, the product has never had a single customer. |
Get over it pstarr. Your doomer routine is wearing thin. You must know by now that some have made money off of the sale of biomass in a purely market-driven commercial enterprise. Besides having a positive energy return, the product has had many customers.
In the future you may want to thoroughly read the OP and I's posts before trolling. The OP referred to biomass to liquids and in my posts I never referred to cellulosic ethanol.
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evidence please. I asked you for proof that cellulosic ethanol has succeeded in the open marketplace and you respond with some comment about biomass. That is fireplace wood. You are truly a pathetic and bored troll.
are you not yespleas a boring and pathetic troll?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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Yesplease it is now clear that you are a pathetic and boring and unimaginative troll. I asked you a silly stupid and rudimentary question and you attempted to fool me, the expert, the great biofool debunker. That is truely pathetic. You must be ashamed to be in this subservient position of humiliation.
Bow before your maker, troll 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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| pstarr wrote: | | evidence please. I asked you for proof that cellulosic ethanol has succeeded in the open marketplace and you respond with some comment about biomass. |
O rly? Did you? And where did you ask, besides right here of course, for any proof that cellulosic ethanol has succeeded in the open marketplace? Which, btw I have not referred (in terms of market success) to in this thread.
| pstarr wrote: | That is fireplace wood. You are truly a pathetic and bored troll.
are you not yespleas a boring and pathetic troll? |
Could be, but at least I don't resort to your methods. I never claimed anything about cellulosic ethanol in this thread, yet here you are, asking me for proof of claims I never made.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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yesplease are your oil-looser or are you both merely cut from the same cloth? cheap polyester perhaps?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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Nope... Try again. Feel free to set up as many straw men as makes you comfortable.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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you are not oily-looser? had me fooled.
So just what is the potential for biofuels? Can we find it in algae ponds or tanks? Does it exist in the wide sunny cornfields of Iowa or the steamy jungles of Jakarta? Is the future of biofuels in palm oil, soy beans, switchgrass, sugar beets, pond scum, wood chips, corn cobs, turkey guts, distillery waste, grass clippings?
You seem to have handle on these emerging technologies. Which ones specifically are going to dig us out of this looming petroleum shortage?
How are America's brave and free farmers going to keep you shopping and the American economy bustling? What sleeves are they going to dig around in to produce the miracle fuel that keeps your local shopping mall all lit up and happy?
Let me guess? I have a new gimmick. 
We will drive our cars really fast on the freeway and trap pollen in the air. There are 60 kilotons of pollen floating around in every square mile of the earth's surface. Now, a car moving foward at 60 klicks with a ram-scoop compacting and supplying this pollen to a thermo/bio/reactor in the car's truck can propel that car forever. Into a bright happy future. 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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| pstarr wrote: | | you are not oily-looser? had me fooled. |
Well, I imagine it doesn't take much to fool you. 
| pstarr wrote: | So just what is the potential for biofuels? Can we find it in algae ponds or tanks? Does it exist in the wide sunny cornfields of Iowa or the steamy jungles of Jakarta? Is the future of biofuels in palm oil, soy beans, switchgrass, sugar beets, pond scum, wood chips, corn cobs, turkey guts, distillery waste, grass clippings?
You seem to have handle on these emerging technologies. Which ones specifically are going to dig us out of this looming petroleum shortage?
How are America's brave and free farmers going to keep you shopping and the American economy bustling? What sleeves are they going to dig around in to produce the miracle fuel that keeps your local shopping mall all lit up and happy? |
Why are you asking me, self proclaimed biofool? | pstarr wrote: | | I asked you a silly stupid and rudimentary question and you attempted to fool me, the expert, the great biofool debunker. |
While I don't agree you are an expert in anything, except for trolling, I do think that, like you said, you ask "silly stupid" questions. 
| pstarr wrote: | | We will drive our cars really fast on the freeway and trap pollen in the air. There are 60 kilotons of pollen floating around in every square mile of the earth's surface. Now, a car moving foward at 60 klicks with a ram-scoop compacting and supplying this pollen to a thermo/bio/reactor in the car's truck can propel that car forever. Into a bright happy future. |
Do you have any sources? Don't worry, given your track record I don't expect you to validate any of your claims...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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You are asking me for sources for my contention that air-born pollen automobile truck-based bioreactors are going to propel us to the promised land?
You doomer you? How dare you question the technical knowhow and industrial might of Korea. Oh. I mean amurika.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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Jeez... It's Amerika. Gosh, get it right pstarr.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: Re: Potential of biofuels? |
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http://www.shell.com/home/content/rw-br
For more infromation on biofuels and alternative energy research and application.
Anyone interested please study it and draw your own conclusions |
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