Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:52 pm Post subject: Are we all STUPID?
If Peak Oil theory is correct, then there are only two key questions: 1) when and 2) hard or soft.
When I was on the NOW and HARD "trip" I lost most of my friends. So those of you who are still in that development stage of getting to grips with this, learn a little and try to keep your friends.
Fact is, the PEAK will only be recognised in retrospect and it may last for 5 to 10 years due to issues which impact on oil suppy, like economics, war, climate, etc.,
Fact is that if it hit really hard, then bleeting about it now will not prepare you for it. So and watch ICE AGE - the dodo's are PREPARING FOR THE ICE AGE in grand fassion.
Look where it got them.
Personally, I'll get on with living the best life I can now, trusting in God, democracy, and capitalism (supply & demand) to get us through what will definately be troubled times ahead. I've got a second kid on the way in 4 weeks so being positive is cool right now!
If any of you out there want to really make a difference, STOP BEING SO STUPID. You bleet about these issues here on this site, but when it comes to voting - you go out and vote for someone that panders to your NOW day to day WANTS like cheap everything and massive gas guzzeling vehicles. Tell your political establishment that this is your no.1 issue, turn the lights out, and buy a small car, etc.
Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2330 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject:
I voted for Kerry and Kerry won my state. I tried, mate.
I haven't lost any friends, in fact I've gained quite a few. I was never the "off in the wilderness type." We can only solve our problems by being active in our communities. I think our purpose here is to find answers. This is a "skunk works" for ideas. 99.9% of them are crap, but that's how it goes. Besides, it's fun. I think you are missing the fun of it. Talk to Permanently Baffled about that.
Amazing - the last poster takes pride in greed, stupidity and ultimate self destruction!! For what reason - nationalism...which only benefits the owners of surplus capital (the serious stuff, not a bit of scraggy personal real estate).
We're in serious crap when you consider how widespread this dumbing down is....but then, they will kill themselves off or die off and voila, reason may have a chance once again....a big may but nevertheless, it is clear the current state cannot continue with our existing crop of homo sapiens, if this character (and many others I have encountered on the www) is anything to go by.
Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 1932 Location: Richland Center, Wisconsin
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: Facetiously said...
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Funny, but my thought is that if peak oil is a valid theory, then what is the path to survival.
Clearly, peak oil implies peak population, and since my loved ones and I are part of this population, I am quite concerned about this little issue of our survival, given an obvious lack of such supporters of like like food, shelter and peace in a peak oil situation.
Yes trust is democracy, god, society etc. is for the ignorant, but how is it that even given a clear picture of reality one is to survive such a dilema. Two thirds of us to die and how to avoid death; quite a big puzzle to solve.
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject: Are we mad~?
Thanks Silverhair. You are right in my book. One other on this thread offers no solutions. he/she has nothing to offer.
To me the solution is simple. The whole world is not comming to an end. But yes, there will be some big changes on the way. Those of you who think that democracy, law and order, religion, etc., have no place and cannot help will be the first to DIE OFF. We need to make sure that the institutions that currently govern our world are allowed to ADAPT into the future to manage the new challenges. So if you voted Kerry, thanks from England, and do so again next time. Bush is off to the Arctic some time soon in seach of more black stuff.
AMERICA is an institution. From here on the English South Coast, I have to admit that if the US economy goes completely *** up because you don't have access to the sticky black stuff, then the whole world economy is up the creek. Result? Lot of people die off in India, China, Africa, etc., because many of them are depandant on the USA.
This is the ony reason why I support the Iraq "mobilization".
So read my lips. WE NEED TO KEEP WORLD ECONOMIES GOING WHILE THE CONCEPT OF PEAK OIL GETS THROUGH TO THE REST OF THE PLANNET.
It would be great is American nobodies would appreciate that people like Tony "Bliar" were not stupid and were supporting the US in current climates because they were fully aware of the Peak Oil issue.
by the way - I'm a happy chappy, despite the response from some on here. retired at 35 and pretty sorted. lots to do, so must go.....
Funny, but my thought is that if peak oil is a valid theory, then what is the path to survival.
Clearly, peak oil implies peak population, and since my loved ones and I are part of this population, I am quite concerned about this little issue of our survival, given an obvious lack of such supporters of like like food, shelter and peace in a peak oil situation.
Yes trust is democracy, god, society etc. is for the ignorant, but how is it that even given a clear picture of reality one is to survive such a dilema. Two thirds of us to die and how to avoid death; quite a big puzzle to solve.
So, if one wants to be part of the one-third that survives, one must (ahem) gather the needed resources, mustn't one? And the two-thirds who will die have nothing to lose, do they?
Therefore, one must make some hard decisions.
a) The dieoff won't happen (denial)
b) The dieoff will happen, but magically won't affect us, nor will those dying get troublesome. (fancy denial)
c) The dieoff will happen, but one's personal survival supplies will keep one safe (world class optimism)
c) The dieoff will happen, and nations need to prepare to survive the upheavals involved. (realism)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:58 am Post subject: No peak in sight
What if there is no peak, and Prof King's views become more accepted as the data begins to come in supporting same? I find most of what he's writen to be pretty compelling. Which planet in our solar system is not methane rich? And if the rule is for planets to be methane rich why would ours be one of 9 deprived of methane? Why should the Earth's core not hold a store of methane that we have been taping slowly for 150 years as it creaps upward from the depths? It seems that his theories have a Occam's Razor appeal: a simple explanation that doesn't rely on a great deal of hand waving and "aftera few million years it all turned to oil" rhetoric.
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Tell your political establishment that this is your no.1 issue, turn the lights out, and buy a small car, etc.
