Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
The new findings from the study led by Ralph Lorenz, Cassini radar team member from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, USA, are reported in the 29 January 2008 issue of the Geophysical Research Letters.
"Titan is just covered in carbon-bearing material—it’s a giant factory of organic chemicals," said Lorenz. “This vast carbon inventory is an important window into the geology and climate history of Titan.”
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Proven reserves of natural gas on Earth total 130 thousand million tons, enough to provide 300 times the amount of energy the entire United States uses annually for residential heating, cooling and lighting. Dozens of Titan's lakes individually have the equivalent of at least this much energy in the form of methane and ethane.
Launch costs are as low as $4,300/kg on the Proton rocket, what are we waiting for? _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
C'mon man, who're you gonna believe?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
Hehehe Nicholai, I think the Dude is being ironic.
* First hydrocarbons on Titan are definitely out of reach, so I think he's joking about the rockets.
* Also it's funny because Abiotic oilers think the earth is filled with a creamy nugget of oil and they cite Titan as proof. The truth is though, our oil has biological remnants in it and the hydrocarbons on Titan are the result of simpler processes. The only thing the abiotic-oilers prove by mentioning titan is we aren't the only ones with carbon on our planet, not really a shocking or an important fact. It's like pointing out all the hydrogen in Jupiter...
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
Hopefully China can get their spaceship oil tankers going so we don't have to send an army over there to force them. _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
If I'm not mistaken, the hydrocarbons on Titan are simpler ones like methane, which could have been formed more easily abiotically than petroleum. As vast as the universe is, I would be surprised if petroleum hasn't been formed somewhere through geophysical/atmospheric conditions. The Earth's petroleum is surely not abiotic, though. _________________ "We shall live in interesting times, and we shall die in them too." - Heineken
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
remember to double those launch costs to account for reentry. You can probably double them again just to get the basic infrastructure in place to begin to harvest that material. then account for crew support and supply, the energy required to undertake such an endeavor, time needed to develop appropriate technology. Manning the actual missions should not be a problem, I'd go in a heartbeat. What an adventure! _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
No, no, no, this can work.
I heard they are getting Bruce Willis, Ben Affleck and that big black guy in the leopard underwear from Armageddon to fly out there with a drilling rig as we speak.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:36 am Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
steam_cannon wrote:
Hehehe Nicholai, I think the Dude is being ironic.
Bingo. I also emulated oil-finder's posting style. Let's see you top this one!
The infinitely charming po.com member OilisMastery was nuts for abio, I described some of the interstellar clouds out there for him - volumes of methane/water/alcohol larger than the solar system. Boggles the mind.
Some seriously suggest we harvest the helium3 on the Moon for use in fusion reactors. And hey, Bradley Edwards says building a Space elevator would be a measly 20-40 billion! _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
C'mon man, who're you gonna believe?
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
This has probably been posted before, but it's as good a description of the pointlessness of the infinite growth paradigm as any. This is assuming there is no die-off and we head off to the stars in Trek-like utopian fashion.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
TheDude wrote:
Launch costs are as low as $4,300/kg on the Proton rocket, what are we waiting for?
Hahaha you know whats really scary?
If we could we'd take the hose from the exhaust (Titan), stick in in the back window(atmosphere), get back in the car and rev the engine(growth). Thats how clever we are us smart genius little humans, aren't we just the apex of creation and all that LOL.
We're going down and we're going to hit HARD, plent of hydrocarbons on this planet to transform it to uninhabitable for humans. Probably microbes will get another shot at it. _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
mos6507 wrote:
This has probably been posted before, but it's as good a description of the pointlessness of the infinite growth paradigm as any. This is assuming there is no die-off and we head off to the stars in Trek-like utopian fashion.
The new findings from the study led by Ralph Lorenz, Cassini radar team member from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, USA, are reported in the 29 January 2008 issue of the Geophysical Research Letters.
"Titan is just covered in carbon-bearing material—it’s a giant factory of organic chemicals," said Lorenz. “This vast carbon inventory is an important window into the geology and climate history of Titan.”
Quote:
Proven reserves of natural gas on Earth total 130 thousand million tons, enough to provide 300 times the amount of energy the entire United States uses annually for residential heating, cooling and lighting. Dozens of Titan's lakes individually have the equivalent of at least this much energy in the form of methane and ethane.
Launch costs are as low as $4,300/kg on the Proton rocket, what are we waiting for?
Its not a hydrocarbon reserve until we have test wells to give us flow rate and booked it. Even the it would only delay peak by about 3000 years.
Any what is the EROI for this? Huh 0.000000000001 barrel for every BOE invested?
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
kpeavey wrote:
remember to double those launch costs to account for reentry. You can probably double them again just to get the basic infrastructure in place to begin to harvest that material. then account for crew support and supply, the energy required to undertake such an endeavor, time needed to develop appropriate technology. Manning the actual missions should not be a problem, I'd go in a heartbeat. What an adventure!
Double the launch costs? For the return trip?
No way silly! We're not going to bring the soup back to Earth to screw up our atmospheric balance, we're going to ship the population to Titan! Colonization, baby!
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth
basil_hayden wrote:
Colonization, baby!
The inhabitants of Titan clearly share our values and have laboured under the dictatorship of there evil dictator for far too long. As reluctant as I am to take our brave troops from there homes and families I feel it is necessary to strike at the evil doers harbouring Al Queda operatives and developing weapons of mass desctruction on the surface of Titan.
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