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heroineworshipper Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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For the 3rd month in a row, official inflation was over 4%. Is Bernanke playing politics or is he playing politics? Interest rates will keep falling until November. Not only will the first casualty in McCain's term B Bernanke, but he may get overruled before then. _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions. |
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emersonbiggins Moderator


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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You know inflation is bad when the bullshit hedonics numbers are high. _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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4% is bad? Seems really low to me. I don't understand with the rapidity that the dollar seems to be loosing value how inflation can be that low. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS |
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sdcoyote Tar Sands


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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It's not...
With food and energy factored in we are at 7-9%.
The numbers presented by our gov't financial folks remind me of the guy who used to be the PR minister for Iraq. |
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emersonbiggins Moderator


Joined: Jul 10, 2005 Posts: 5045 Location: Dallas
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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Construction materials are up 30% over the last 3 years.
You know, the stuff we build stuff with.
Thirty. Percent.
(*edit* - percentages) _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
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skyemoor Moderator


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tick66 Tar Sands


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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| I think the best guide for inflation is to go take a trip to the grocery store. |
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Tyler_JC Moderator

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Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4526 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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| tick66 wrote: | | I think the best guide for inflation is to go take a trip to the grocery store. |
How about a trip to the furniture store, the clothing store, the electronic store, and the car dealership?
Or do you spend 100% of your income on food?
Food and energy prices have mostly followed core inflation in the past.
Over the past ten years, here's a chart of inflation including food and energy.
And a ten year chart excluding food and energy.
In recent years, food/energy inflation has outpaced general inflation by a percentage point or two. But we aren't anywhere near 9% annual inflation. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse." |
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emersonbiggins Moderator


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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While we're comparing graphs here...
 _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
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yesplease Fission


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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| emersonbiggins wrote: | Construction materials are up 30% over the last 3 years.
You know, the stuff we build stuff with.
Thirty. Percent. | The dollar is down 40+% over the same time frame, expect more. _________________
| Professor Membrane wrote: | | Not now son! I'm making...TOAST! |
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Tyler_JC Moderator

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Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4526 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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The purpose of a cost of living index is to measure the cost of attaining a given level of happiness at current prices relative to the cost of attaining the same level of happiness at base year prices.
In 2000 if you could buy 100 units of happiness for $100 and now that same level of happiness costs $200, the cost of living has doubled.
Unfortunately, happiness is rather hard to measure.
One way of measuring this is to find out the cost of buying a particular bundle of goods today with the cost of buying that same bundle of goods in 2000. (Paache index)
Or we could take a bundle of goods in 2000 and compare that to the cost of buying the same bundle of goods today. (Laspeyres index)
A Paache index tends to underestimate the change in the cost of living while a Laspeyres index (like the one we used before 1995) tends to overestimate the cost of living.
If you drag the base year of a Laspeyres index back far enough, you end up trying to find the cost of bell bottoms and pet rocks.
The government currently uses a "chain weighted index" to calculate the change in the cost of living. This index reflects changes in consumption patterns.
Adjusting for the quality of a good is a must. A first generation iPod cost $400 and was capable of storing 5GB of music...and not much else.
A fourth generation iPod also cost $400 but could store 40GB of music or pictures.
An iPhone costs also $400 but can do all kinds of crazy crap.
Has the real price of iProducts stayed the same over the past 8 years? I'd say iProducts have gotten cheaper relative to their quality over time. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse." |
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oldstyle Tar Sands


Joined: Dec 13, 2007 Posts: 34 Location: Texas Hill Country
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emersonbiggins Moderator


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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| oldstyle wrote: | | emersonbiggins wrote: | Construction materials are up 30% over the last 3 years.
You know, the stuff we build stuff with.
Thirty. Percent.
(*edit* - percentages) |
I dont think thats correct at all. Lumber is at a 5 year low, perhaps lower as some are saying a decade low. |
I was referring more to steel & concrete. Timber is crashing in tandem with the new construction housing market - not surprising.
Association of General Contractors - Inflation Report 2007 (PDF) _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
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emersonbiggins Moderator


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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| Tyler_JC wrote: |
Adjusting for the quality of a good is a must. A first generation iPod cost $400 and was capable of storing 5GB of music...and not much else. |
Electronics are the low-hanging fruit of the hedonics argument. Much harder to argue would be the substitution of hamburger for steak, for example, which represents a clear decline in the standard of living. Also, the mere improvement of a product (airbags in cars, for instance) counters the increasing CPI rate; nevermind that such improvements are MOL standard after a few years. Thus, to properly compare apples to apples (standards of living), a midsize car from the 80s should be compared to a midsize car from today, technological advances notwithstanding. Hard to hit a moving target.
Of course, don't take it from me; take it from an economist.
| Quote: | | Hedonics opens the door to producing magical results: a lower inflation rate with generally rising prices, a higher growth rate although the economy may be weaker, and a higher productivity number, although productivity would have been declining without the hedonic imputations. |
mises.org _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
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Tyler_JC Moderator

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Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4526 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% |
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Using 1950 as the base year for the house size index (100) , the house size index has reached a staggering 238.
In 1950, the median family could expect to pay $8450 for this house and earned an income of $3,210
Now that median house costs $220,000 and the median family earns $48,210.
Dividing the numbers out gives you a house/income ratio of 4.56 today but only 2.63 in 1950.
What's wrong with that picture?
Time for the house size index to come into play.
Divide the current price by the quality adjustment and the house/income ratio today is only 1.92!
But the "house size index" is just a figure I came up with. Here's the math:
Cost per square foot.
In 1950:
$8450/983sqft = $8.6 per square foot
Today:
$220,000/2349sqft = $93.7 per square foot.
The price per square foot has increased by a factor of 10.89.
In order for incomes to keep up, we'd need to see a median family income of $34,974 ($3210*10.89).
Actual median family income? $48,210. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse." |
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