Don’t worry, just a little bump - $70 is just around the corner. Short traders just keep making those margin calls, mortgage the house if you have to. Fortunes await you! PO is for pansies and doomers. At $70 short some more ..... it is going back to $22 .... the world is awash with oil ........ reality has nothing to do with it, its all in those charts!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:52 am Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
Olaf wrote:
It's derived from the Old Norse. I'm a big fan of 'viking age' Scandinavian culture and I also like wolves. So not quite accidental. I get dressed up and participate in armored rattan stick fighting a few times a week. In fact, and unfortunately, broke a friends forearm just last night when he missed a sword block and took it on the arm instead.
Anyway, well met Olof. Someday I hope to actually get to visit Scandinavia.
Olaf
Well met! And welcome to Scandinavia any day! _________________ Me Tar sands, you Jane
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
alokin wrote:
Devep do you really suggest waiting one year on a property before doing anything? That's a long time, especially as the chaos will hit maybe soon, second most can't afford living on the land while still going to buy food.
In an ideal world it's preferable to see how the seasons unfold before committing plans to practice. It gives you time and insight to avoid making errors that could be hard to repair later. But, as you say, there is the fact that we don't know when TS will HTF. I guess it's for each one of us to reconcile these two conflicting aspects the best we can. _________________ All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become. - Buddha
If you can, you might want to consider nuts, as the weather will continue to get warmer, and a tree that produces healthy food with little work will beat out an ordinary tree any PO day...
Well, I make maps for a living (also answers the retirement question, at 34, definitely not retired) so I've already been mapping out various ideas but that is all just speculation at this point.
That was by the old scale. The 2006 maps shows us as 5. Nuts are a good idea.
Olaf _________________ "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived." - Henry David Thoreau
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Joined: Sep 09, 2004 Posts: 380 Location: Upstate New York, U.S.A.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
Heineken wrote:
How very exciting, Olaf! I know EXACTLY how you feel, and a good feeling it is indeed. I'm so happy to see that you've been able to follow through on your plans.
Nothing like owning your own piece of ground, especially one with "room to roam" like yours.
Davep is right, get to know the place really well before making any major financial commitments (beyond the one you've already made in buying the place, of course). Wander all over the place again and again. Camp out. Talk with neighbors.
OTOH, the time to start planting some trees and other plants for the future is approximately now. Be sure to protect them (I recommend circular welded-wire cages, staked to the ground) or you'll just be feeding the deer.
A few types of fruit trees might have a bit of trouble in your location (and I have a sense of where that is, as you know). Frosts are very late there and may tend to wipe out the flowers. The trees will grow well but fruit production could be zero in some years. Look into that before you plunk down $$.
You might consider a mobile home. You can add on to it, attach wood siding with extra insulation, and reinforce the roof. A smart and relatively inexpensive way to go, with a customized and cozy result.
Meet with your county forester. Get a management plan going. Get into state programs that give you money toward improving your own forest.
Who knows, one of these days I might join you in Upstate. Wish I were your neighbor; I'd love to lend tools and a hand.
Heineken,
Oh, I'll be spending lots of time out there getting used to the land.
I know various apple trees do well here, but I'll have to look into what other fruit bearers may be good for the area. Frosts can come as late as mid May or so here, so the growing season is not exceptionally long, but large numbers of crops grow well in this area. I've personally grown peas, carrots, corn, pumpkin, zucchini, yellow squash, peppers, bush green beans, potatoes, cucumbers, cauliflower, broccoli, green leaf lettuce, tomatoes, blueberry bushes, and probably more I'm forgetting. I've not had much success with watermelon and limited success with my peppers.
I'll have to look into that forester idea as well.
If you ever make it up, I'll have some home brew for ya.
Olaf _________________ "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived." - Henry David Thoreau
It is most commonly called "English" walnut, but it is also known by other names such as "Carpathian" walnut, and "California" walnut. Persian walnuts are partially self pollinating. To assure a full crop, two or more trees are needed. The nuts have an excellent balance of Omega 3 and Omega 6 essential fatty acids.
- Cultivars:
Metcalfe - Metcalfe originates in the Rochester area of New York. It is a round, medium sized, thin shelled nut with 55% kernel. It is productive and early ripening. It is moderately resistant to blight.
Coble 2 - This introduction from Pennsylvania is a very large oval nut, the size of a goose egg. Nuts of this size are usually considered a novelty, because the large size shell is often poorly filled. This selection fills better than most and has a fine sweet flavor. It is hardy for the Niagara area and Southwestern Ontario. _________________ http://www.carfree.com http://ecoplan.org/carshare/cs_index.htm http://www.velomobile.de/GB/Advantages/advantages.html
Chance favors the prepared mind. -- Louis Pasteur
He that lives upon hope will die fasting. --Benjamin Franklin
Joined: Sep 09, 2004 Posts: 380 Location: Upstate New York, U.S.A.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
We are scheduled to close on the property at the end of March.
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Is it March yet?
Olaf _________________ "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived." - Henry David Thoreau
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6372 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
A couple of thoughts:
It does take a while to make a place turn a profit or just be successful.
Camp out in as many weather conditions as possible and look around. Obviously you can vision stuff in your head (mapmaker and all) so sit and look and see what it will be in 30 years - this won't eliminate all mistakes but it is a big deal to make provisions waaay beforehand to not redo what was already done
But go to the closest nursery or Extension office (or website) and get their recommendations for the best varieties of trees for your area. Dig some holes and find out where the best places are for an orchard and have the soil tested by your extension.
And get some trees in the ground!! I didn't do enough when at first I had the time and regret it now 4 years later...
Second I would say be really careful developing your spring and building a pond. Talk to several local excavators about conditions in your area.
Remember, a spring needs porous material to travel trough and that same material could underlay your topsoil in unexpected areas. If you dig a pond in the wrong place and hit an old creek-bed or such you will have a really hard time making it seal.
Anyway, keep us informed as you all progress! _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
Congratulations, i know so many other people have said it but its great to see someone out there getting prepared for difficult times. I hope to see a post about the dozens of fruit trees you've put in soon.
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
Olaf, do you think that if you have made decent progress I could come and visit your property when I'm in Scandinavia? I'll be in Denmark visit family, then in Finland visiting an ecovillage as well as a few ecovillages in Norway and Iceland. I'm searching for a place to stay post peak and I'm trying to get some ideas as well. I'm pretty set on living at the one in Finland but seeing some of your wind mills etc. would be nice as well. If it would be inappropriate, that's alright as well. All the best,
Joined: Sep 09, 2004 Posts: 380 Location: Upstate New York, U.S.A.
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
Nicholai wrote:
Olaf, do you think that if you have made decent progress I could come and visit your property when I'm in Scandinavia? I'll be in Denmark visit family, then in Finland visiting an ecovillage as well as a few ecovillages in Norway and Iceland. I'm searching for a place to stay post peak and I'm trying to get some ideas as well. I'm pretty set on living at the one in Finland but seeing some of your wind mills etc. would be nice as well. If it would be inappropriate, that's alright as well. All the best,
Niklas Mikkelsen
Which are you talking to? My property will be in New York, not Sweden, that is the other Olof.
Olaf _________________ "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived." - Henry David Thoreau
There is way more than shown here, but it is what I have for the moment.
Olaf _________________ "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived." - Henry David Thoreau
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1370 Location: Appalachian Foothills of Virginia
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Land! Finally.
Olaf wrote:
Well, I make maps for a living (also answers the retirement question, at 34, definitely not retired) so I've already been mapping out various ideas but that is all just speculation at this point.
Excellent, creating and carefully evaluating alternatives is the best thing you can be doing right now.
BTW, my dad worked for the USGS in various aspects of cartography, so I learned how to read all kinds of maps early on. Still have red-blue stereography glasses and the kind that stand up 5 inches above overlapping stereo maps on my desk. Also have an backlit desktop unit that they used to scribe topo lines onto the old orange-yellow templates (saw it done as young lad, but don't recall how it fit in the entire process).
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The 2006 maps shows us as 5. Nuts are a good idea.
Great to hear. Nuts are one food source that take almost no input but create a tremendous crop. One just has to be patient until they reach bearing age.
Oh and that chicken coop reminds me of the sculpture "The Awakening".
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