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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Maybe, the bees know something we don't...

News dated Feb 25, 2008:

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The collapse of US honeybee colonies this year is set to devastate America's multibillion dollar agriculture and food industries.

Last year about 750,000 of the 2.5m hives in the US were wiped out in mysterious circumstances, and already this year the American Beekeeping Federation says there is evidence from its members that losses will be even greater this year.


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Back in America all eyes are nowadays on California's almond trees, which represent a $2.5bn industry. The pink and white blossoms have started to appear and the concern is whether there are the tens of thousands bees needed to pollinate the crop.

"The almonds are in bloom right now in California and we are hearing there are some significant die-offs. It's worrisome," said professor Cox-Foster.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

List of crops pollinated by bees
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There's two kinds of AG disasters, one that hurts the agricultural economy and one that one that hurts the people who depend on the food. Almond trees still produce almonds with less bees pollenating the blossoms, the trees just produce less.

It's a mild distinction -- if the corn or wheat crops were threatened with disaster it would be a different story. It's strange, as a business owner I find myself not caring about the almond crop, or the water-intensive crops grown in the ASW that never should have been used for farming anyway (like corn being grown in the rain shadow of the Rockies in CO).

Tough nuts.

Further, the bee problem doesn't affect local hives nearly as much as it does the big apiaries that truck bees to the crops -- "chasing the bloom". On the other hand, it's hard to find feral honey bees anymore as the wild colonies have all been decimated.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yeah. Clearly we're not going to starve to death from lack of almonds. OTOH, bees are a very cool thing and it's pretty worrisome that they're dying off. Even more so in that we have only guesses at what's causing it and no plan to fix it. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

60 minutes reported last year on a beekeeper, David Hackenberg, whose bee colonies collapsed. They updated this week saying he had another die-off this year of over half his bees.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Of course the point here is that we're just not talking about almond trees. A vast proportion of the abundant food we eat and some of what we wear are supported by the agro-bee business. A loss of this pollination along with drought, floods, pollution and just plain extreme weather can all of a sudden reach a crisis state no one was prepared for.

I've always said, that it's the thing you least suspect that always gets you.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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It's strange, as a business owner I find myself not caring about the almond crop, or the water-intensive crops grown in the ASW that never should have been used for farming anyway

Tough nuts.

You may want to have a closer look at billg's list of affected crops. You may not care about almonds, but you may care about having to pop a handful of multi-vitamins each day to hold off malnutrition. If that doesn't bother you than the kidney stones you'll be passing from involuntary grain and meat only diet certainly will.

If you get bored eating corn flakes, don't think about going to a restaurant. There will be nothing available there that you could afford; that you won't already be sick of eating anyways ('Spaghetti 5 days in a row? Yuck! Lets go out for some Ravioli and lets splurge this time and share a garden salad. Boy am I ever craving a salad')

This lovely future also implies that there is enough grains , dairy and meat around for you to get sick of

Life sucks don't it. Lets just hope your nuts are tough enough
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Certain types of flies can be used to pollinate crops as well. Possible short-term solution?



Probably not...



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There are farms in China where they pollinate by hand. Not that this is a scalable solution.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Further, the bee problem doesn't affect local hives nearly as much as it does the big apiaries that truck bees to the crops -- "chasing the bloom".
I disgree. I know 3 urban and semi-urban beekeepers with 4 or 5 hives each. They all have lost all their hives multiple times, and have now given up. One has the continuation of hives I kept in my birth neighborhood as a child, and never lost them all in 50 years. They tried everything.

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On the other hand, it's hard to find feral honey bees anymore as the wild colonies have all been decimated.
In the middle of the Monterey, CA agricultural area, a sun deck with flowers a friend keps has solely a few "camp" bees ( a different species of wild bee, and not very industrious ablout pollination). No honeybees at all. Yes, I think the wild european honeybee hives may be pretty well wiped out, which will have very negative effects on wildflower and fruit production, further negatively affecting wild animal populations and plant propagation.

The ecosystem gets one more gash.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

what we need is more bats? ...we're so doomed.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks for the pollination list link!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

zensui wrote:
what we need is more bats? ...we're so doomed.


Currently bats in the northeast US are being wiped out at unprecedented levels by an unknown fungus called the "white nose disease" - whole colonies are dying. Not good news for those with a lot of mosquitoes around. Sad

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This problem is with the European honey bee. There are various other bees that pollinate and are not experiencing any problems.

We've got a colony of wild honey bees somewhere nearby but I'm planning to put a small hive in our orchard. However, I'm thinking of using what's called a mason bee. Much less likely to sting than the honey bee.
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