Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1085 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
vetusfirma wrote:
No there won’t be a revolution, but Darwin will be at work, and all of you weak kneed, pansy assed, bed wetter’s will get your ass purged. Then we will have a survival able group. Have a nice day.
No doubt appointing you their Communications Officer. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4364 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Nickel wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:
eastbay wrote:
Almost all civilizations root themselves by often violently de-rooting the indigenous occupants. Americans, Canadians, Limeys British, Chinese.... almost all. So there's no ancestral 'high road' on this one folks.
Of course.
That was my implicit point.
No, this is equivocation. There are differences in the ways countries do and have done things. And suggesting we can all learn from each other doesn't absolve us from actually doing so when there's a material case to be made.
Yes, we certainly can all learn from each other, but the human drive to survive includes taking resources if you happen to live on land where there aren't enough (you and your people used them up) to go around.
It's happened countless times in the past and will occur countless times in the future. It's how (well, ok, almost all) ALL national borders ended up where they are today. Humans today are fundamentally no different from those of the past.
Again. There are winners and losers in this game. No moral high road or low road. It's forces representing your interests hammering each other for what's needed to survive. The winners do get to write the story, however, which gives us an oftentimes tainted perspective. _________________ Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Nickel wrote:
vetusfirma wrote:
No there won’t be a revolution, but Darwin will be at work, and all of you weak kneed, pansy assed, bed wetter’s will get your ass purged. Then we will have a survival able group. Have a nice day.
No doubt appointing you their Communications Officer.
Lol yea, he is peachy isn't he _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
seahorse wrote:
Interesting observation Burton. How will the US, the biggest gas guzzler in the world, handle PO? Already, Congress is threatening to sue Opec to appease the masses. When that doesn't work, and which will never get off the ground, what will satisfy 300 million Americans who feel their non-negotiable way of life is being attacked by a bunch of rag head, undemocratic infidels?
I totally missed this yesterday....
I have no idea.... I dont think our system will have a violent revolution, atleast not like a civil war or something. The "government" is nothing more than a system set in place from a few hundred years of trial and error. Our system is set up to be adaptable to modern day situations. I believe that when the time comes and major protests and thing begin that the government will be forced to execute the changes that our society needs to set things right. Every problem is a chance for excellence, someone will step up.
You gotta remember that the people holding government jobs are bound by certain checks and balances just like anyone else. They have a boss just like a regular job, and for most it is just that, a job. If they are not doing a good job, then they will be fired when the SHTF. Then true leaders will step up to the plate and take the needed actions to make thing happen. This holds true throughout history.
I'm sure some people here are hoping for a violent up rising or something, but our system is set up in a way that allows any person to take over government positions without a gun battle. All it would take is someone similar to martin luther king to raise a massive movement and people in government offices will react in a way that gives the man power to make things work. Of course they wont hand it over to a gun toting bozo that doesnt have a plan to solve our problems. But I truely believe that if any man that demonstrates enough power over the masses, a plan that makes sense, and a viable way to execute the plan to better society, then things will happen.
Now this is not to say that when the government is down that it wont be kicked from both the smart and the stupid or the civilized and the violent. I still believe that there will be out brakes of violence, its just human emotion and stress and fear of the unknown and feelings of insecurity. But I dont think we would have something on a civil war scale event.
But still I believe that people in general are good at heart, although there are a few I really question.
Who knows... People do some irrational things when under stress and emotions are running high. _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
I think Purge is a good word for what I believe will happen.
I believe the government will be purged of all the people who have no place being there. Its hasnt happened in awhile.
I would like to see the government take a more active role in listening.... They dont listen anymore they just talk amongst themselves and create a sphere of influence without any outside real world input.
They should make more effort to get regular people involved. They could for instance hold a debate on a stage at county fairs to discuss whatever the people want to discuss, and have an open forum. They wouldnt have to stop the fair or anything like that for him, he could just get up on a stage and start talking with people and answering questions. If people wanted to ask him a question they could do it, if not then they dont have to, but then they only have themselves to blame for not speaking up.
They would do a much better job of representing the people if they held more open forum talks with the public.
Oh and exclude the media during the open forums from asking their scripted questions. Or maybe even exclude cameras and recording devices all together so the politician doesnt have to fear being incriminated by the media later for discussing things how he truely feels.
There needs to be a level of trust established and true leader ship and representation of the people, that is their JOB, to represent us.
Their job is not to repay the corporate donations that were made to get them into office. _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
eastbay wrote:
Nickel wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:
eastbay wrote:
Almost all civilizations root themselves by often violently de-rooting the indigenous occupants. Americans, Canadians, Limeys British, Chinese.... almost all. So there's no ancestral 'high road' on this one folks.
Of course.
That was my implicit point.
No, this is equivocation. There are differences in the ways countries do and have done things. And suggesting we can all learn from each other doesn't absolve us from actually doing so when there's a material case to be made.
Yes, we certainly can all learn from each other, but the human drive to survive includes taking resources if you happen to live on land where there aren't enough (you and your people used them up) to go around.
It's happened countless times in the past and will occur countless times in the future. It's how (well, ok, almost all) ALL national borders ended up where they are today. Humans today are fundamentally no different from those of the past.
Again. There are winners and losers in this game. No moral high road or low road. It's forces representing your interests hammering each other for what's needed to survive. The winners do get to write the story, however, which gives us an oftentimes tainted perspective.
No--It doesn't always end up that way. The Vikings invaded and assimilated in many lands, leaving only traces of blonde hair in their wake.
Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1085 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Homesteader wrote:
Quote:
...Mistakes were made
Quote:
Indeed they were.
It could be argued that mistakes weren't made, rather it was very well planned and executed. (no pun intended).
Saying "mistakes were made" is spin.
Kind of like today.
Well, that's just it; it wasn't today. They weren't seen as mistakes at the time, but we became aware of them in retrospect and openly and routinely make efforts to ameliorate those we can and at least refrain from repeating those we can't... Clearly, Canada fell down in this respect on Afghanistan; we haven't taken part in an imperialistic venture like that since the Boer War.
Again, it's a matter of intentions. We never had an Oklahoma we marched people off to. Reserves in Canada are found where the people who lived there were found. And I maintain that even at the time, it was patently obvious those were two very different models. Canada's was a paternalistic solution to the problem of a clash of civilizations with very different levels of technology and ideas about land ownership, but a relatively benign one as such stories go. Obviously it wouldn't be done today; people would be going through immigration channels... but that didn't exist yet in the 17th and 18th centuries. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4364 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
threadbear wrote:
eastbay wrote:
Nickel wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:
eastbay wrote:
Almost all civilizations root themselves by often violently de-rooting the indigenous occupants. Americans, Canadians, Limeys British, Chinese.... almost all. So there's no ancestral 'high road' on this one folks.
Of course.
That was my implicit point.
No, this is equivocation. There are differences in the ways countries do and have done things. And suggesting we can all learn from each other doesn't absolve us from actually doing so when there's a material case to be made.
Yes, we certainly can all learn from each other, but the human drive to survive includes taking resources if you happen to live on land where there aren't enough (you and your people used them up) to go around.
It's happened countless times in the past and will occur countless times in the future. It's how (well, ok, almost all) ALL national borders ended up where they are today. Humans today are fundamentally no different from those of the past.
Again. There are winners and losers in this game. No moral high road or low road. It's forces representing your interests hammering each other for what's needed to survive. The winners do get to write the story, however, which gives us an oftentimes tainted perspective.
No--It doesn't always end up that way. The Vikings invaded and assimilated in many lands, leaving only traces of blonde hair in their wake.
That's why I said, (well, ok, almost all). _________________ Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
Joined: Apr 12, 2007 Posts: 1165 Location: Central NC
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Nickel wrote:
Homesteader wrote:
Quote:
...Mistakes were made
Quote:
Indeed they were.
It could be argued that mistakes weren't made, rather it was very well planned and executed. (no pun intended).
Saying "mistakes were made" is spin.
Kind of like today.
Well, that's just it; it wasn't today. They weren't seen as mistakes at the time, but we became aware of them in retrospect and openly and routinely make efforts to ameliorate those we can and at least refrain from repeating those we can't... Clearly, Canada fell down in this respect on Afghanistan; we haven't taken part in an imperialistic venture like that since the Boer War.
Again, it's a matter of intentions. We never had an Oklahoma we marched people off to. Reserves in Canada are found where the people who lived there were found. And I maintain that even at the time, it was patently obvious those were two very different models. Canada's was a paternalistic solution to the problem of a clash of civilizations with very different levels of technology and ideas about land ownership, but a relatively benign one as such stories go. Obviously it wouldn't be done today; people would be going through immigration channels... but that didn't exist yet in the 17th and 18th centuries.
That is simply because they already lived where nobody else wanted to go. Like the Navaho in the 4 corners area.
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4364 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Plantagenet wrote:
Nickel wrote:
Canada fell down ... we haven't taken part in an imperialistic venture like that since the Boer War.
You don't get it.
The whole of Canada itself is an "imperialistic venture." Thats the sole reason Canada exists as it does today.
Absolutely correct!!!
THAT is one of the clearest and most accurate remarks regarding geopolitical formation I've heard in ages. Right in the middle of the 10 ring Plantagenet !! _________________ Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 3636 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
eastbay wrote:
Absolutely correct!!!
THAT is one of the clearest and most accurate remarks regarding geopolitical formation I've heard in ages. Right in the middle of the 10 ring Plantagenet !!
You don't have to have an orgasm every time someone else pushes your politically-laced interpretation of world history.
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4364 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
mos6507 wrote:
eastbay wrote:
Absolutely correct!!!
THAT is one of the clearest and most accurate remarks regarding geopolitical formation I've heard in ages. Right in the middle of the 10 ring Plantagenet !!
You don't have to have an orgasm every time someone else pushes your politically-laced interpretation of world history.
Plantagenet, you closet commie sympathizer you. Typical academic, I tell ya!! _________________ Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
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Lol yea, he is peachy isn't he
Then stop driving to work, duh..... 
