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Is America going to have a Revolution?
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Muckingfess
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

GeneralGreen wrote:
I don't think the USA will have a Revolution. I think it will fractionize., and break apart as cheap energy is gone. The USA as a whole won't be worth savaging, and its too energy intensive to do so. Also Revolutions are fought on ideologies? Just what ideology are Americans going to have a revolt against? McKain vs Obama...

I'm sure glad I live in Texas! If we could just get rid of Gov. Goodhair it would be a much better place.

If the US breaks up I do believe Texas could be self- sustaining. We grow our own food, could export oil, and have the ability to defend our borders. These are not things the US can do.

I can see it now, mass deportations of illegal aliens back to California, Oklahoma and Louisiana!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

'Texas is a whole 'nother country' is right. Texas' infrastructure has always been designed to be independent from the rest of the nation's. If the country breaks down, Texas will be able to keep it together longer then most other states. Texas took the brunt of the Katrina refugees and was able to handle the load. When America breaks up, Texas will be it's own nation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think there are a few regions of the US that could very easily break off and do quiet well.
1) Great Plains: Enough land to farm food for their populations(Which arent as large as the other regions) and they have strong dense cities such as KC and maybe STL(But it is debatable whether or not STL is in the great plains or midwest).
2) Texas: The region has enough food to feed its current population and has enough resources to over all maintain a decent way of life. I'm not sure if over all the condition of groups other than white protestants would be living so well but over all it could economically manage.
3) Great Lake states: The great lake states are rich in resources and have a very sophisticated rail network. Many of the towns were designed and populated before sprawl and the auto and could manage very well. The rivers and lakes also allow good trade routes.

I don't see how regions like the West Coast, New England, or the SouthEast could sustain their current populations without imports from the regions mentioned above. As great as they are, they depend heavily on the production of other regions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Muckingfess wrote:
I'm sure glad I live in Texas! If we could just get rid of Gov. Goodhair it would be a much better place. If the US breaks up I do believe Texas could be self- sustaining. We grow our own food, could export oil, and have the ability to defend our borders.

OK neighbor, you send some food our way and we'll send you uranium and industrial/rare metals. We're good on the oil/NG ourselves... (New Mexico) Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You only have to look back to the early 1800's to see where ppl can survive. Sure wasnt in the desert southwest.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

and unless you own those minerals, i think the owners will make the decision about where to sell them. I would bet they go to the highest bidder not some NM entitiy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

joelcolorado wrote:
You only have to look back to the early 1800's to see where ppl can survive. Sure wasnt in the desert southwest.

Umm, NM had thriving trade, mining and farming communities as far back as 1600. And indigenous farming communities for centuries before that.

If we were talking about a split up of the country, NM has sufficient resources in oil, NG and minerals to be an exporter, but would probably not be able to produce enough food.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Resmussen reports;
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The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Heck. I give em all a big fat ZERO for not fixing this mess. Funnyhow a man can go to washington, make $200k a year and go home a multimillionare.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ANTONY:
Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Our imperfect human leaders make mistakes and we citizens have little or no recourse to fix those mistakes. That is why revolutions come about for change. But we must be careful about what we are revolting against, as what we replace it with may be worse than what we have destroyed.

BTW, if and when America is ready for a revolt over the travesty of American political system, all you have to do is to follow the lead of our politicians and do nothing. America can be shut down by the citizens - just by doing nothing.

When it comes down to it, we are dependent on strong government to keep the invading armies at bay. But everyday life is NOT dependent on the politicians flapping their jaws and blowing hot air out their ass. What we are dependent on is each other and our cooperation at making life livable from the lowest crap shoveler and up the ladder to the highest doctor or airline pilot.

In the end, I choose a democracy of sorts and when the democracy fails them replace it with bits and pieces of socialized areas, but all the while trying to keep the democratic foundation and as much personal freedoms in force best we can.

But coming back to reality this gives a glimpse of how engaged the citizens of the US of A are: link

lets look at another forum with lots of traffic...except when it comes to activism: link

Well, maybe next time around the country would be more energized. Of course this presupposes we have the gas and the planes will still be flying so we can get to the conventions to voice our disgust about this putrid mess we call the American political system.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

allenwrench wrote:
BTW, if and when America is ready for a revolt over the travesty of American political system, all you have to do is to follow the lead of our politicians and do nothing. America can be shut down by the citizens - just by doing nothing.

100% agree with this - same for over here to. Had enough of the trough feeders on both sides of the pond.

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