Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: Re: New to "Peak Oil"
eastbay wrote:
PopeGideon wrote:
I know this is brutally cruel, but as I'm reading this guy's post, all I
could think was, "natural selection."
I have a different idea about this posting.
I suspect one of the regular members here is having some fun. This
guy can't be for real. His story is just too ridiculous and pathetic to be true.
I considered this possibility as well, but say if it's someone trolling,
why not, some real person may read this someday. And if it's a real
concerned person, well we might as well give them some advice.
So the reality of this doesn't concern me too much. I'm giving
general advice that anyone might want to consider.
eastbay wrote:
And while you're at it:
SHUT YOUR TRAP!
(in joke)
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: Re: New to "Peak Oil"
BigTex wrote:
Try to hold off on stocking up on guns and survival gear. That's a temptation when you first get started, but that's nothing but a band-aid. You may want to pick up some gear later, but for now just read and try to remain calm.
I don't know..I think it is of value to do general "disaster" or "emergency" preparedness. It helped me, anyway, to feel like I was "doing something" by stocking up on rice and toilet paper and water! Certainly no harm in it if you keep it modest.
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: Re: New to "Peak Oil"
Ludi wrote:
Why? What good does it do?
Well here's the thing, a lot of us have done things in our lives toward
living sustainably, you're one of the best examples. And these people
have a lot less to worry about or do to prepare for disaster or
economic collapse. This is similar to how in the great depression,
farmers that were not in dust bowl regions were far less effected by
the economic problems of the times then city dwellers or other people
who didn't have a farm to fall back on.
So my point isn't to pick on you Ludi, I'm just saying your advice
about not doing much for preps fits in with the fact that you are a
person who already doesn't need to do much to survive or thrive in
the event of economic collapse.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Re: New to "Peak Oil"
Nonsense, steam-cannon. I am as far from being able to survive in the event of collapse as nearly anyone, except for my modest and possibly inadequate disaster preparedness. Thanks for the kudos but I think you may have a wildly inflated sense of my survivability. I am every bit as dependent on the system as anyone else, aside from having some food and water stored. I still have to work for my income, I still buy my needs at the store like anyone else. As do all my farming and ranching neighbors, even those who make their living farming and ranching, which I don't.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: New to "Peak Oil"
Ludi wrote:
Nonsense, steam-cannon. I am as far from being able to survive in
the event of collapse as nearly anyone, except for my modest and
possibly inadequate disaster preparedness. Thanks for the kudos but
I think you may have a wildly inflated sense of my survivability. I am
every bit as dependent on the system as anyone else, aside
from having some food and water stored. I still have to work for my
income, I still buy my needs at the store like anyone else. As do all my
farming and ranching neighbors, even those who make their living
farming and ranching, which I don't.
I think you're more prepared then you think.
As I was saying in the event of an economic collapse similar to
Cuba's or the Soviet Unions... Well, I understand you do earn your living.
However, you could also probably make do with less. If you're
income was cut down, you could grow some of your food during the
year. This makes you much more prepared then most people.
I don't think a person has to know how to make their own shoes
from tires to be prepared for a collapse. Having a few rabbits and a
little land worked great for people during the Soviet collapse. So
from a historical perspective, you're choices in life are identical to
choices that helped people during similar collapses. So I think this
makes you a very prepared person, whether you think so or not.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: New to "Peak Oil"
BigTex wrote:
You know what, he used the term "die off". Most rookie doomers don't know about die off.
It was "die off," not "dieoff." If that makes a diff. Was going to kid him about how at least he didn't look at dieoff.org. When I first bumped into Hansen's site six years ago I couldn't take it after a while!
For the OP: Life After the Oil Crash (LATOC) presents things in as bleak a fashion as possible, as BigTex says. Matt Savinar's what we call a "Doomer" - i.e., we're Doomed. Those with the opposite tack are "Cornucopians." BigTex also mentioned someone who calls himself JD, his Peak Oil Debunked website is just the ticket if you want to hear opposing arguments to the Doomy ones.
Truth lies somewhere in between, of course.
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