How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
Hi,
I have watched these two videos and am very intrigued by the later part of Zeitgeist and all of Money Masters. This to me is even bigger news than peak oil!
I am wondering if anyone has any book recommendations that deal with topics such as fractional banking, the fed and international bankers; that are not crazy conspiracy theories but also acknowledge the fact that there actually is a conspiracy going on.
In other words, a solid book that would give me more insight into these phenomena.
Aside from the John Birch-style rants about world socialism mentioned by other reviewers and the Libertarian bent to the solution advocated by the author, it is a well-researched history of the issue, certainly much more readable than Stephen Zarlenga's The Lost Science of Money. Without the sidetrips into his own political positions the author would have a more compelling book. These things may or may not be true (he does cite references for all of it) but the story would be easier to take in without them. The information presented on the main topic is important, and G. Edward Griffin has done a fine job compiling it. The research put into the volume was obviously substantial, and like many readers it has caused me to do further research into the topic of monetary reform.
A more modern version of the story with much less ideological baggage can be found in Ellen Hodgson Brown's The Web of Debt, which is more recent (2007), is less scholastic in presentation style, and is mercifully more concise and an easier read. It presents a more compelling case with much of the same information but boiled down to eliminate some of the spurious details but is still a gripping read. WEB OF DEBT: The Shocking Truth About Our Money System -- The Sleight of Hand That Has Trapped Us in Debt and How We Can Break Free
A good overview of the history of money and its current issues can be found in Bernard Lietaer's The Future of Money (or El Futuro Del Dinero, if you don't want to spend $250+ on the English version).
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
There's another video you can search for I remember called Fiat Empire. Will second The Creature from Jeckyll Island book as a great book for the topic!
Can search back through my posts for some detailed diagrams of how money is created. I work in international banking and it took me a few months of research to fully understand and conceptualize the process. It's not an easy topic to research because there's so much misleading information to dig through.
There are quite a few tangents of this subject too which lead to a greater overall understanding of what's going on. Can search for guys like Michael Ruppert, Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell and Stewart Swerdlow. Even Alex Jones has a good video or two. Just a fyi, it's a bit shocking how far out this stuff can get. You will have appeared to have lost your mind to most people when you get in the deep end! _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
Another video you should watch is Aaron Russo's America Freedom to Fascism. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
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Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell
These guys don't really focus on Fed Reserve or the money system, they are just pissed off about it. (At least what I've read and heard from Tsarion)
I would suggest holding off looking these guys up until you are somewhat familiar with the other material. Tsarion would would be a good next step when you want to rethink our whole history here on the earth. Mind opening, inspirational, challenging.
Bit fringe for most....like David Icke _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
Thanks for the links and advice to everyone, I have ordered "Web of deceit" as its up to date, published in 2007. I will also check out all the videos.
Its funny, three years ago, when I discovered peak oil, my world view came crashing down. Now having discovered this topic, I am almost going through the same swing-set of emotions, but to a lesser extent. There is also a bit of "Why am I not surprised..." that underlies them.
I did an economics degree which I never finished due to various reasons. But, while doing it I always suspected there was something not quite right there. Like an issue was being skirted around. But I cant say what it is... I should've paid more attention.
I wonder how accurate are the economic theories being taught in universities? I recently spoke to an American undergraduate in economics who assured me that a degree of debt was a good thing, yet did not realise that the US is 9 trillion $ in debt.
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
I'm not averse to Greider's "Secret's of the Temple"; considered a fluff piece by many. It's a "guy inside the 'system'"- kind of view. One which no matter how much he may deny the conspiratorial aspects of the system's nature, he just keeps seeming to confirm it time and again as he tries to guardedly unfold the tale. I've had that book since it came out in '87 and I keep it as yardstick of sorts.
Oliveoil, you need "Web of Debt" instead of "Web of Deceit". My favorite "pop" book (as opposed to academics) on the subject though I haven't read many or widely.
A few "Dummies" books on economics, banking and investments.
Eustace Mullins' "Secrets"
Murray Rothbard's Fed work.
Greider's book.
Griffin's book.
.pdf files of Sutton's work.
This is about the extent for me except for textbooks and roundabout works e.g. Stiglitz as an academic and Perkins or Estulin as an adventurer.
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
Micki wrote:
Quote:
Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell
These guys don't really focus on Fed Reserve or the money system, they are just pissed off about it. (At least what I've read and heard from Tsarion)
I would suggest holding off looking these guys up until you are somewhat familiar with the other material. Tsarion would would be a good next step when you want to rethink our whole history here on the earth. Mind opening, inspirational, challenging.
Bit fringe for most....like David Icke
Have you checked out Stewart Swerdlow? Thought I don't buy everything he says he's the most spectacular of the bunch by far. _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
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Oliveoil, you need "Web of Debt" instead of "Web of Deceit". My favorite "pop" book (as opposed to academics) on the subject though I haven't read many or widely.
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
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Have you checked out Stewart Swerdlow?
Never heard of him. Haven't got to Maxwell either yet.
Spent about 9 hours across a number of days watching Tsarion though and still trying to digest. Too much info, ufortunately not enough backed up in his claims/statements.
I however enjoy watching this as it fits well with theories (by geologists etc who checked weathering etc.) of the Sphinx, pyrmaids etc being much oler than officially acknowledged. + Other huge structures being found, i.e. 10,000 +year old underwater platform pyramids off Japan etc etc. History does not seem to be quite as it is told in school.
Also seen some stuff with Icke. Liked Tsarion better.
Icke's videos tries to play more on emotions and some of his sources haven't been checked at all. He takes a lot at face value and expect others to do the same.
Homesteader, you can find that book + much more with Icke using edonkey. I've DL's amongst other the one you mentioned, just haven't had time to check it out. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: "Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters"
"Zeitgeist" and "Money Masters" are mandatory viewing for all newbies! _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
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