Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4298 Location: Graceland
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
We get our identities by reference to what we are not.
We also evolved in a tribal configuration. Tribal competition, for a time, probably replaced our natural predators as a method of population control.
Now, tribalism is just a leftover appendage from another era. It still gives us a pretext for hating and killing each other, it just doesn't function well as a stand-in for natural predators and membership in a real ecosystem.
Yet another way in which the Industrial Humansphere is inferior to the Biosphere that spawned us. _________________
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
all good questions, except the one about bush and that question should be obvious. Because he blows me? _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4412 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
It's all about the wonders of diversity PMS. Remember, we must embrace it all!
I hate SUV's.
No, not the one's driving these hideous creations. These vehicles so very nicely represent the gluttony and waste to which so many delusional people desperately cling. _________________ Got Dharma?
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
Basically, it's misunderstanding that never gets cleared up due to pride and stubbornness. Actions then occur, and once things get set in stone by that, it's all downhill.
Then, it becomes a grocery list of grievances, with enough time underway, it become "tradition".
It's always good to get things cleared up as quickly as possible, don't let things stew, even overnight if you can. If one needs a night to cool off and see things clearly, then it's ok, but approach your issues the next morning in a neutral to conciliatory tone.
What works for individuals and families should work for tribes and countries. You must have someone doing the talking who is a good peacemaker and reconciler, someone who has hope.
Other than that, the other people down the line will be bedraggled; people that are humiliated, humbled, torn apart by the war that they were so confidant that could be won just awhile ago. They will have to search very hard to find the hope that could have been there from the very beginning, hope to find that peace.
It's always about finding common ground.
I'm a descendant of Mennonites. I know why my ancestors strove hard to find ways to live peacefully, and it's because they saw war and famine straight for several centuries and saw firsthand what was involved. War, famine, death, torture, families torn apart, devastation of nature, countryside.
Peace just works better.
Blu
__________________________
If you smile at me
I will understand
'Cause that is something
Everybody everywhere does in the same language
I can see by your coat, my friend
You're from the other side
There's just one thing I've got to know
Can you tell me please, who won?
Say, can I have some of your purple berries
Yes, I've been eating them for six or seven weeks now
Haven't got sick once
Prob'ly keep us both alive
Wooden ships on the water, very free, and easy
Easy, you know the way it's supposed to be
Silver people on the shoreline let us be
Talk'n 'bout very free, and easy
Horror grips us as we watch you die
All we can do is echo your anguished cries
Stare as all human feelings die
We are leaving, you don't need us
Go take a sister, then, by the hand
Lead her away from this foreign land
Far away, where we might laugh again
We are leaving, you don't need us
And it's a fair wind
Blowin' warm out of the south over my shoulder
Guess I'll set a course and go
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
BigTex wrote:
We get our identities by reference to what we are not.
We also evolved in a tribal configuration. Tribal competition, for a time, probably replaced our natural predators as a method of population control.
Now, tribalism is just a leftover appendage from another era. It still gives us a pretext for hating and killing each other, it just doesn't function well as a stand-in for natural predators and membership in a real ecosystem.
Yet another way in which the Industrial Humansphere is inferior to the Biosphere that spawned us.
Ummm, would that Biosphere happen to include the "Nature, red in tooth and claw" of Tennyson's note?
'Tribal competition' had little if anything to do with population control, at least on any conscious level. It's nothing more than the human expression of the universal competition for resources that all species engage in. In fact I would suggest that one thing that is specifically anti-nature in the human sphere is our cultural attempt to rise above our biologically driven murderous tendencies. _________________ "It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12426 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
dinopello wrote:
Dogs don't hate cats.
Nothing more than anecdotal evidence, dino. Cute, but dogs generally want to rip cat guts apart. I paid $500 once to have a beloved cat stitched up after he was ripped apart by dogs. My poor cat had his intestines exposed. I have no idea how he got out of that jam and laid on my porch in such a pitiable condition. _________________ Turn those Machines back On! - Don Ameche in Trading Places
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
TWilliam wrote:
(...)
'Tribal competition' had little if anything to do with population control, at least on any conscious level. It's nothing more than the human expression of the universal competition for resources that all species engage in. In fact I would suggest that one thing that is specifically anti-nature in the human sphere is our cultural attempt to rise above our biologically driven murderous tendencies.
bullshit, what's anti-nature is our technological civilization that destroys nature without constraint. what we do to each other within this technological civilization, to preserve it, can only be anti-nature because it supports the paradigm. If anything, going back to harmony and peace is much more natural than living like hamsters in cages that only want free food and will never be free, even if there current house smells like crap and urine. _________________ anagami.net
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12426 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
blukatzen wrote:
Wooden Ships, Crosby, Stills and Nash
Nice memories, blu. Or are they? The message was grim then, its grim now. The horrors we imagined in our youth are upon us. 70 million net gain in human population every year, etc.
Nice Music bad message. _________________ Turn those Machines back On! - Don Ameche in Trading Places
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12426 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Why All The Hate?
That's so cute J. I'm almost convinced. But I saw my cat's guts spilled out and I'm not buying it. Dogs hate cats unless trained not to. It's cats that aren't 'in the family' that dogs attack. The cats fight back with sharp claws. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. _________________ Turn those Machines back On! - Don Ameche in Trading Places
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