Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12548 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: Re: School Buses and Text Books
patience wrote:
I want to see a typical high school graduate that can count change, operate their own bank account, find their way around a library and post office, and write a message without a spell checker. I had a spell checker once. Her name was Effie Arnold, and unless I had learned to spell, I'd STILL be in her fourth grade class. It's time for a re-start in education. Maybe if we did that, I'd be able to find someone competent I could hire for my business.
I'm surprised to see those are necessary qualifications for a job at your shop. I thought it was a machine shop...I should think manual dexterity and simple math skills would be sufficient. Not saying being able to spell is a bad thing, just, I run a business which requires manual dexterity and simple math skills, but spelling skills certainly wouldn't be required for an employee if I were looking for such a thing. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: School Buses and Text Books
I can do those things and I didn't even graduate from high school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111oneeleven.
Srsly, though, it's a bit ridiculous if you're having trouble finding someone who can't do all that. You could have hired me in middle school, and for that matter, most of the other posters here too.
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: School Buses and Text Books
I managed to graduate from medical school, and I can't spell to save my life. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: School Buses and Text Books
vision-master wrote:
an dem docs can't write too good either.......... Ever tried reading em prescriptions.
That's one that I rant about a lot. Most doctors have atrocious hand writing because they spend so much time doing it and get lazy. There's really no point though, in writing stuff if nobody can read it. I really made a point in medical school to learn to write so that other people can read it. Drive's me nuts when the consultant comes by and writes a three page note that you can't read. You've got three people huddled around the page, turning it sideways "Does that say myocardial or mycobacterial? How should I know, I thought it was morphological." I usually call them. "I can't read your note. What did you want me to do for Ms. Jones today?"
Montana actually instituted a law that if you write a prescription and the pharmacist can't read it, they are supposed to fine you. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Joined: Oct 11, 2005 Posts: 409 Location: Arizona, USA
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: School Buses and Text Books
I don't hold too much of a grudge against the educational aspects of schools. There's all kinds of tinkering that could be done, certainly, but in the end, any motivated kid with parents who actually give a damn can get a good education in practically any school in the US. I'm amazed that US education ranks as highly as it does, given how little our parents make our kids read, study, do homework, and how more involved in after school jobs and extracurricular goofing off they are in comparison to other countries. My favorite quote from one of my teaching textbooks: "...the average American high school student spends fewer than five hours per week on homework; in Asian countries, such as India, Taiwan, and Japan, the average is between four and five hours per day. And European and Asian adolescents spend almost three times more hours each week reading for pleasure than American adolescents. In contrast, American teenagers spend reatively more time playing sports, socializing with friends, caring for their physical appearance, and working in afterschool jobs." Do other countries really have some great educational secrets we don't know? Really? Or is it parenting and culture, and studying FIVE TIMES AS MUCH? How would any of us do in any kind of competition in which we were restricted to a fifth of the practice time as our opponents? What's the point of the latest thing, such as importing "Singapore Math," when we rip it out of the culture that is the thing that really undergirds it, and plop it down here in the US among a bunch of parents that just try to keep their kids out of their hair 24/7 through drugs, sports, jobs, and electronics? Educational reform will always have mixed results in this country until we reform the parents.
That reminds me. I was talking to one of our school counselors the other day and she said she's trying to get her daughter enrolled in a private elementary school. The thing that struck me most about the school is that the kids aren't screened or required to apply, but the parents are. It's the parents that are scrutinized. If they seem like they aren't going to be willing to be heavily involved, their kids are denied admission. The place has a 2-year waiting list.
Rant on...so, for me, the social atmosphere of publics schools is what distresses me the most. I think it's caustic. Regarding public education, a phrase that comes up often between my wife and me is, "There's another reason not to send our kid to public school!" Just about every good thing we want to teach our kid socially can be undone in school. The student culture is ridiculous. "Dude...you studied last night? You're a loser. I never study." Yeah...that's the kind of atmosphere I want my kid in. My mother-in-law is adamant about her grandchild being home-schooled. She's planning to quit her job to do it herself. I pray that it happens!
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