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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This thread reminds me of the old saying on this site that "Peak Oil is a liquid fuels crisis," and it is. 70% of the oil we consume gets burned up in internal combustion engines, which are vastly inefficient I might add. Natural gas is very versatile and is the feed stock for many petrochemical industries. NG home furnaces are approaching 95% efficiency. Compare that to an internal combustion engine, which has a hard time breaking 40% under absolutely ideal conditions. Finally, NG burns much cleaner than distillates; no sulfur, much reduced CO2, etc. To the end user, NG is easy to distribute through underground pipes. IMO, NG is a great next step, however burning it up in internal combustion engines is stupid.

The real problem we have is the automobile, period. Converting automobiles over to NG is like switching from wood to coal in a steam locomotive. The problem is the ICE, not the fuel. We really need to restructure our transportation habits more than anything. I think that much expanded public transit is the answer, but that is a different thread.

What is the EROEI of shale gas? I know that oil shale has a very poor EROEI and I'm curious about shale gas.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Article on the growth in US natural gas production on the EIA website, just out today.

--> Is U.S. natural gas production increasing? <--
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Release Date: June 11, 2008
Is U.S. natural gas production increasing?

Natural gas production in the Lower 48 States has seen a large upward shift. After 9 years of no net growth through 2006, an upward trend began that generated 3% growth between first-quarter 2006 and first-quarter 2007, followed by an exceptionally large 9% increase between first-quarter 2007 and first-quarter 2008.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

OF2 and Seahorse,

Increased NG production does fall into a good news/not so good news category.

Gas deliveries are up due to two key factors: Increased gas prices and improved technology. Vitually all the unconventional gas and tite sand reserves have been known by the industries for decades. But the relatively low flow rates combined with low prices made them uneconomic. But as NG prices began rising indutry could work on improving technology while achieving some financial reward.

It has turned into something of a "perfect strorm" for such exploration. Improvements in horizontal drilling and fracturing these hard rocks have exceeded the expectaions of most in the industry. Combine that with the very widespread nature of the plays (millions of acres of open leases across dozens of states) the opportunities seem almost unlimited. I'm working with an operator in an area where they are competing with Chesapeake. The biggest hold up at the moment is a near shortage of steel pipe to complete the wells.

BUT here's the other shoe dropping on this story. The biggest reason why these plays have caught on fire is that the intial production rates are fantastic. Even with the sky high driling costs it's not uncommon for many of these wells to payout in less then 12 months. As such they can yield a 50% to 100% rate of return. The not so good news is that they decline very fast...much faster then the conventional gas reservoirs of old. Some decline at 50% to 80% per year. They can last a long time but at a very low relative rate. A well could produce a net income of $200,000/month the first year, $50,000/ the second year and then perhaps as low as $5000/month the third year. But it might average tha $5000/month for the next 10 to 20 years. I deal with economic decisions regarding such drilling opportunites every day. You might be surprised to hear that the ultimate recovery from such wells is seldom part of the economic analysis. It's the high probability of commercial success and the high rate of return that drives these plays. This is why we should temper the ultimate recovery numbers thown out about unconventional gas reserves. They may be accurate but the recovery rate is slow and requires a constant supply of huge amounts of capital.

These plays are not so much driven by the ultimate amount of NG they will produce but more by the high rate of return. Cheasapeake, like most of the public companies in these plays, are posting huge increases in income but only because they are drilling more and more of these type wells. In a way, it's something of a trap for a public company: if they stop drilling their income will fall off sharply within a year or two. This would basicly present a picture of a dying company. They would still be tremendously profitable but they would lack the asset growth potential that all public companies are judged by. Just yesterday a big independent (XTO) announced the purchase of Hunt Petroleum for $4 billion. They bought Hunt for their huge acreage positions in the tite gas play in N TX. I actually witnessed a public conpany (UPRC) destroy it self over 20 years ago by developing an oil play in Texas (the Austin Chalk). They drilled over 600 very commercial horizontal oil wells and developed a tremendous cash flow. But eventually nearly all the potential drill sites were completed. As production rapidly fell off and they had nowhere else to drill to offset the declines they went from a darling of the stock market to the biggest dog around. They could not find enough new prospects to drill to make up for declining income. Eventually they were sold for "scrap".

The Chesapeakes have no choice but to drill or die. Which is great news for the NG consumers in the US. But if for some unforeseen event NG prices drop significantly over a couple of years this gravy train would slow greatly and NG production would drop must faster than anyone could imagine.

But my bet is that won't happen short of a true economic depression in the US.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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In a way, it's something of a trap for a public company: if they stop drilling their income will fall off sharply within a year or two. This would basicly present a picture of a dying company. They would still be tremendously profitable but they would lack the asset growth potential that all public companies are judged by.

Well, if it ever comes to that, they can always pay their stock holders nice dividends. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

OilFinder2 wrote:
ROCKMAN wrote:
In a way, it's something of a trap for a public company: if they stop drilling their income will fall off sharply within a year or two. This would basicly present a picture of a dying company. They would still be tremendously profitable but they would lack the asset growth potential that all public companies are judged by.

Well, if it ever comes to that, they can always pay their stock holders nice dividends. Smile


Interesting comment OF2, and perhaps quite revealing. It begs the question of how much your postings here are driven by optimism and how much by the prospect of personal gain. It would be interesting to see your investment portfolio compared to the companies you highlight here. Like how many shares of Chesapeake you own, for instance.

Just wonderin'.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

joewp wrote:
Interesting comment OF2, and perhaps quite revealing. It begs the question of how much your postings here are driven by optimism and how much by the prospect of personal gain. It would be interesting to see your investment portfolio compared to the companies you highlight here. Like how many shares of Chesapeake you own, for instance.

Just wonderin'.

I have absolutely no money invested in anything.

Actually, I have a (less than) 1-month-old pension fund which is mostly invested in bonds and savings. But that's it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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joewp wrote:
Interesting comment OF2, and perhaps quite revealing. It begs the question of how much your postings here are driven by optimism and how much by the prospect of personal gain. It would be interesting to see your investment portfolio compared to the companies you highlight here. Like how many shares of Chesapeake you own, for instance.

Just wonderin'.

I have absolutely no money invested in anything.

Actually, I have a (less than) 1-month-old pension fund which is mostly invested in bonds and savings. But that's it.
But there is so much oil about to come on to the market that it will crash the price of oil. When the price of oil goes down the airlines are gonna be able to get back to there 2006 level of operating and profitability. They are looking like absolute bargins in terms of share price if we are shortly headed back to $80 oil!!!!!!

Abundance what a concept! Make a killing from it, invest in those airlines and come back and gloat when there share prices rebound Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Where do you most of the new oil coming from? There are some new big plays/fields about to pop up but what's your impression?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

OF2,

I'm not sure I'd care to own too much Chesapeake stock if they should start sliding into negative cashflow growth. I doubt their dividends would be as good as a money market account...and that's if they had any at all. Most of these public companies big into the resource plays are taking on tremendous debt but with good reason: if you can borrow money at 8% or 10% and make a 30%+ return you would borrow as fast/much as you could.

On of my problems with jumping on any oil stock (despite being a petroleum geologist for over 30 years) is my technical background. It's difficult for me to swallow much of the hype on oil stocks these days while understanding the fundamentals. But the market is driven by the expectations of the general public. Their analysis of a stcok may be flawed but as long as they keep the buying pressure on then the stock values will grow,
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Love the logo...Sinclare has always been my favorite.

Don't fret about OF2 hyping Chesapeake or any other oil stock on this site. There's so much expectation built into stock value now by the pros out there that we're not even a blip on the radar.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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dorlomin

Where do you most of the new oil coming from? There are some new big plays/fields about to pop up but what's your impression?
Apologies it was something of an 'in joke'. OilFinder2 has something of a reputation for being on the slightly optimistic side and has in the past claimed that there have been discoveries of 300 billion barrels of oil of off the coast of Indonesia, that the Bakken would produce somewhere in the region of 200 billion barrels and that Iraq was due to start ramping up production to over 5 million barrels a day. It was a touch immature I guess.

I havent a clue how much oil we will be producing and am grasping with all the conflicting reports and data. I strongly doubt that we will ever produce more than a million or so more barrels a day more than we are at the minute and I am worried and suspicious that we may be getting close to a permenant decline in production.

For the most part, I take what I have learnt hear and post the information around UK websites and forums trying to convince people to prepair for dramaticaly higher energy and food costs. Not a particularly popular message.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Ahhh...that subtle British sarcastic humor has caught me again. But I've worked with a few Brits overseas and learned how to enjoy it...just harder to pick up in the printed word.

I'll offer a bit of unasked for advice: when folks start throwing around the "billion of barrels of oil" here and there just accept it as fact. I've been a petroleum geologist for over 30 years. These reserves are out there and they will be produced...in time.

And time is the critical issue. I won't bore the thread with the tech info of oil field development but it's not the amount of oil left in the ground that's critical. It's how fast we can recover it. The Bakken does contains billions of BO but we knew that 30 years ago and didn't pursue it. We have better technology and price support to chase it now but that doesn't change the laws of physics. Bakken wells will have big initial flow rates and make us a handsome return. But they will drop off very quickly. There is not enough drilling rigs, personnel or equipment to develop any of the resource plays quick enough to change the fundamental dynamics of PO.

But that deson't mean the inductry wont chase these plays like a hungry lad going after a spotted dick. (My weak effort at Brit humor). I run oil drilling economics almost daily and can tell you that the ultimate recovery from a project is a minor consideration in the decision process. The key is (and always will be) the recovery rate of the investment. This fact determines the rate of return...not the total amount of oil eventually produced. And this is the captain steering the ship now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Sounds like the old Captain Kirk yelling at Scotty. Scotty could always get back to warp speed, but not in the 3 minutes that Captain Kirk needed it in. "Scotty, I need warp speed in 3 minutes or we're all dead!"
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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But there is so much oil about to come on to the market that it will crash the price of oil. When the price of oil goes down the airlines are gonna be able to get back to there 2006 level of operating and profitability. They are looking like absolute bargins in terms of share price if we are shortly headed back to $80 oil!!!!!!

Abundance what a concept! Make a killing from it, invest in those airlines and come back and gloat when there share prices rebound Smile

If I had money to invest, I might invest in something. But I hardly have enough money to invest in anything now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural ga Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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On of my problems with jumping on any oil stock (despite being a petroleum geologist for over 30 years) is my technical background. It's difficult for me to swallow much of the hype on oil stocks these days while understanding the fundamentals.
Big oil, p/e 10, losing a few percent output a year, explosive profit growth, what's not to like?

Not to mention how the market will react when it figures out that oil prices are going to keep climbing, or at least stay very high and the Wall Street idiots stop looking at ouput and start looking at profits, when they understand we're in the endgame, or at least when they get that (dare I say it?), this time it's different.

P/e 20 instead? Smile
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