Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
I see that Calgary Alberta now has the rice ration in effect I dont eat the stuff much but it is an inticator that the food chain/supply is exhausted .I basicly live off the land myself Chicken,s ,Elk ,Deer ,Nice clear mountain small size river on the property ,500 lbs of honey in the ground ,And plenty of fire power to protect it all.
But when sht really hits the fan it would suck to be in the big cities make a plan take this very serious that party is over
!!!When your out hunting or fishing and ya need a bite to EAT have a peice of Bushman,s Elk Jerky It,s a REAL TREAT
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
patience wrote:
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We bought boneless pork loin last November at Sam's Club for $1.69/lb. in a full loin, about 12-14 lbs. Now it's $2.19 or more. The best deal on hamburger was an 8 lb. box of 32 patties, 1/4 lb. each, at Wal Mart for around $12. We repackaged that and some Russian Cod ($3.59/lb. at Sam's) with the saran and paper. Found some whole fish, whiting, at Jay Cee for $1.29/lb. and did the same. Typically we buy large size packages on sale and break them up into smaller packages to suit us.
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I guess I must be a spoiled city slicker. I prefer to eat "fresh" food, meaning the meat NEVER goes into the freezer, only the refrigerator. I keep less than a 5 day supply of food on hand so it's like JIT (just in time) inventory management but for grocery shopping. So long as all those truck drivers keep on sending in the 3,000 mile Caesar salad into the cities everyday I should be okay post PO.
I guess my saving grace would be I honestly don't mind being crammed into a ridiculously small studio, like less than 300 sq feet. You can find small places like that near colleges in major cities. My rent + energy bill is cheap, but I pay a lot for groceries......the life of a single man.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
cube wrote:
patience wrote:
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We bought boneless pork loin last November at Sam's Club for $1.69/lb. in a full loin, about 12-14 lbs. Now it's $2.19 or more. The best deal on hamburger was an 8 lb. box of 32 patties, 1/4 lb. each, at Wal Mart for around $12. We repackaged that and some Russian Cod ($3.59/lb. at Sam's) with the saran and paper. Found some whole fish, whiting, at Jay Cee for $1.29/lb. and did the same. Typically we buy large size packages on sale and break them up into smaller packages to suit us.
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I guess I must be a spoiled city slicker. I prefer to eat "fresh" food, meaning the meat NEVER goes into the freezer, only the refrigerator. I keep less than a 5 day supply of food on hand so it's like JIT (just in time) inventory management but for grocery shopping. So long as all those truck drivers keep on sending in the 3,000 mile Caesar salad into the cities everyday I should be okay post PO.
I guess my saving grace would be I honestly don't mind being crammed into a ridiculously small studio, like less than 300 sq feet. You can find small places like that near colleges in major cities. My rent + energy bill is cheap, but I pay a lot for groceries......the life of a single man.
No disrespect, but city slickers dont know what fresh food is.....
FRESH food is the chicken your eatin this evening was still cluckin this afternoon. The cow your grillin tonight was still mooin this morning. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Specop_007 said:
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shortonoil wrote:
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Hey look around.....Yeah, your still in America.
You arent exactly doing without are you? If you were starving I can understand the anger, but its quite interesting to resent the system that supports you so very lavishly.
Now what kind of Machiavellian BS existentialism are you spewing here? I really don’t want the entire world to begin believing that PO News is inhabited by a tribe of sociopathic Mongoloid troglodytes.
Anyway, if the US power elite decides to start exchanging the lives of Bangladesh children for SUV soccer mom life styles, they’ll soon be tanning your hide to make the newest style of lamp shade.
Dont act such a farking idiot.
It would take one to extract that dialogue out of what I said! Maybe you missed my Available Energy thread? Available Energy
Of course PO is coming whether or not the US ever uses another gallon of oil. That is hardly even a discussion at this point, unless one is communicating with something less intelligent than a termite.
Yes, many, many will probably die during the oncoming crisis as petrochemicals are the life blood of modern civilization, but for the US to survive with any semblance of a technological civilization we will need the co-operation of as many nations as possible. Coping the attitude of a belligerent sociopathic Mongoloid troglodyte is hardly going to accomplish that. The day when the US can intimidate and bully the remaining resource rich nations of the world has come to an end. Oil does not come out of the ground at the point of a gun. Remember what happened in that desert paradise - Iraq?
Perhaps you should look around! Being in American means being in the most debt riddened, bankrupt country on the planet. The only thing standing between you and absolute destitution and anarchy is a completely failed and collapsing banking/economic system. A currency that is backed by a financial cesspool. Evidently, you have no idea how much crap we are standing in!
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Specop_007 wrote:
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No disrespect, but city slickers dont know what fresh food is.....
FRESH food is the chicken your eatin this evening was still cluckin this afternoon. The cow your grillin tonight was still mooin this morning.
That's a little too "fresh" for me to handle. I don't like the idea of butchering my own meat.
I never was a fan of the theory that predicts we're all going to run out of the city and onto the farm when PO hits. Besides all the good farmland out there is owned by someone else, probably someone with a rifle gun who would not be happy with uninvented guests.
So I guess me and all the city slickers have no where to go post PO but just stay put. I think people will just eat "lower" on the food scale. The difference between a frozen dinner and beans and rice is extreme. Even a lowly day laborer can make enough money to buy food, assuming you live in a 1st world nation.
but I'm getting off-topic here. This isn't a debate between city vs. rural.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
cube wrote:
he difference between a frozen dinner and beans and rice is extreme. Even a lowly day laborer can make enough money to buy food, assuming you live in a 1st world nation.
Fer sure! 10lbs of potatoes is a little bit under a couple bucks, Pintos are half a buck per pound, and enough rice to last a couple months is only ~$10. Compared to a few bucks per frozen diner, and we're talking about $10-15/month for calories compared to around $100. Simply diverting grain production for livestock to humans in the states could feed around two billion people circa the 80s. _________________
Wheat Falls Below $8 as Investors Expect Rate Cut Will Be Last
By Tony C. Dreibus
April 30 (Bloomberg) -- Wheat fell below $8 a bushel for the first time in five months as investors speculated the U.S. will slow the pace of interest-rate cuts, boosting the dollar and reducing grain exports that surged as the currency weakened.
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
OilFinder2 wrote:
The price of wheat continues to fall.
Right now there is a general sell off in the commodity markets: energy, grains, metals, and softs. This is normal. Something goes up by 100% and now it has dropped 30%. That still makes it a bull market in the next couple years. IMOH Recall after hurricane Katrina in 2005 oil crashed by 30% (down to $50) and the mainstream media declared the commodity bull market dead. We all know what happened to crude oil afterwards.
expect to see this within years:
oil $300
gold $3000
wheat $30
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Specop_007 wrote:
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No disrespect, but city slickers dont know what fresh food is.....
FRESH food is the chicken your eatin this evening was still cluckin this afternoon. The cow your grillin tonight was still mooin this morning.
Believe me if you eat a chicken you butchered that day, you will be sorry (Unless you like cardboard). You need to age it in the fridge for at least three days in order to get a good tasting bird. If you are in a hurry, You can freeze it over night and thaw it out the next day.
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
If you follow this procedure chickens are quite good the same day: slit the birds throat, pluck (my folks have a plucker), immediately immerse in ice water, when chilled (a few minutes), remove, gut, and finish processing. do not gut before chilling as this increases risk of contamination.
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
shortonoil wrote:
It would take one to extract that dialogue out of what I said! Maybe you missed my Available Energy thread? Available Energy
Of course PO is coming whether or not the US ever uses another gallon of oil. That is hardly even a discussion at this point, unless one is communicating with something less intelligent than a termite.
Yes, many, many will probably die during the oncoming crisis as petrochemicals are the life blood of modern civilization, but for the US to survive with any semblance of a technological civilization we will need the co-operation of as many nations as possible. Coping the attitude of a belligerent sociopathic Mongoloid troglodyte is hardly going to accomplish that. The day when the US can intimidate and bully the remaining resource rich nations of the world has come to an end. Oil does not come out of the ground at the point of a gun. Remember what happened in that desert paradise - Iraq?
Perhaps you should look around! Being in American means being in the most debt riddened, bankrupt country on the planet. The only thing standing between you and absolute destitution and anarchy is a completely failed and collapsing banking/economic system. A currency that is backed by a financial cesspool. Evidently, you have no idea how much crap we are standing in!
Well to reference your other post...
shortonoil wrote:
Anyway, if the US power elite decides to start exchanging the lives of Bangladesh children for SUV soccer mom life styles, they’ll soon be tanning your hide to make the newest style of lamp shade.
Now the implied statement here is "America is screwing it up by trying to drive its SUV's".
I didnt say it, you did.
Moving on....
As for being the most in debt, you need to clarify. Based on these figures, we're far from the most in debt country. In fact, we're #65th.
As of April 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.5 trillion[2], about $31,100 per capita (that is, per U.S. resident). Of this amount, debt held by the public was roughly $5.3 trillion.[3] If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total of $59.1 trillion.[4] In 2007 the public debt was 36.8 percent of GDP ranking 65th in the world.[5]. The total debt is currently 66.5% of GNP.
As for bullying other countries, actually my friend we can do it even more now if we want. Look around! Theres food riots all over the globe, countries restricting exports of food due to fears. You know what? I can go down to almost any grocery store in the city and buy rice krispy treats. The world starves from lack of rice, we put sugar on it for dessert.
Trust me when I say this, Americans wont be eating what they have in years past. Then again, a whole hell of a lot of people will be starving to death while Americans are still having full bellys.
But I suppose we can trade food for crude. And if they dont want to, we'll go it alone and refine it into fuel.
You see my friend, America is in a very unique position to have our cake, eat it AND drive it too.
To put it simply, our standard of living is so disproportionately high as compared to the rest of the world that the rest of the world will be lying in the dirt drawing its last breath before we go hungry.
Want proof? Look around. Its happening right now. People starve, I eat dessert. Its shitty I admit, but its just how it is. Be thankful your in a first world country I guess. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Specop_007 wrote:
People starve, I eat dessert. Its shitty I admit, but its just how it is. Be thankful your in a first world country I guess.
While I agree with most of what you say, I must take exception to this one minor point.
It is not "shitty". Rather, it is utterly delightful.
Abundance rejoices most in the face of want.
So turn on the tube, watch the bloated kid with the fly on its face, and have an ice cream sundae with extra chocolate sauce and toasted nuts. And whipped cream!
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Jack wrote:
Specop_007 wrote:
People starve, I eat dessert. Its shitty I admit, but its just how it is. Be thankful your in a first world country I guess.
While I agree with most of what you say, I must take exception to this one minor point.
It is not "shitty". Rather, it is utterly delightful.
Abundance rejoices most in the face of want.
So turn on the tube, watch the bloated kid with the fly on its face, and have an ice cream sundae with extra chocolate sauce and toasted nuts. And whipped cream!
It's all good.
Very, very good.
The tube? Common Jack you should go do it in live. Ticket might be pricey, especially the return ticket I guess, but I'm sure it will be worh it, for you.
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Trouble in Kansas - wheat rust _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Pretorian wrote:
The tube? Common Jack you should go do it in live. Ticket might be pricey, especially the return ticket I guess, but I'm sure it will be worh it, for you.
You're quite right - it is better live. Fortunately, there are a variety of opportunities for conspicuous consumption in my own locale. You'd be amazed at the reaction you can get from someone down on their luck when you display a subtle (but distinct!) arrogant smirk.
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