Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
I wanted to put out a post that touches more closely the title of the thread.
For those of you who would claim to be Christians, how does your faith affect, or how is it affected by peak oil. Are you doomers, or cornucopians? Does your faith help you deal with peak oil. Does peak oil fit within your view of Biblical teaching and how? Or is peak oil just another event that we have to try to deal with. How does your faith help you do that? Does it tell you not to worry, no change needed? Or does it make you take heed?
I think you get the picture. I'll post mine later tonight.
Yours in Christ,
GTW _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
1Jo 2:14-17 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. (15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
vision-master wrote:
That is where you are mistaken. For every truth the opposite is equally true.
Not really:
Luk 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
This is the heart of the issue. True Christians believe in absolute truth. You are self-decieved and are believing a lie as truth.
Post Modern thinking accepts that no truth is knowable - But that statement is an absolute statement, how can one know for sure that there is no absolute truth.
Here is the dialogue:
Post-modernist: "There is no such thing as absolute truth !"
Christian: "Are you absolutely sure ?"
I believe in the absolute light and darkness as you call it. To know truth one must understand/ experience both the light and the darkness simultaneously. This is being as ONE. You must transcend normal thought in order to do this. Otherwise one is just full of doctrine and nothing more. Empty.
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
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I believe in the absolute light and darkness as you call it. To know truth one must understand/ experience both the light and the darkness simultaneously. This is being as ONE. You must transcend normal thought in order to do this. Otherwise one is just full of doctrine and nothing more. Empty.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
Quote:
I believe in the absolute light and darkness as you call it. To know truth one must understand/ experience both the light and the darkness simultaneously. This is being as ONE. You must transcend normal thought in order to do this. Otherwise one is just full of doctrine and nothing more. Empty.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
The Gospels are eyewitness accounts.
How do you know?
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Ask twenty different people what they saw and you will get twenty slightly different accounts. When you put them all together you have a cohesive account of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Are you conceding that it is not a literal account of what happened? If you are conceding that there are slight differences, wouldn't that mean that it would be wrong to take it literally, since slight difference means, by definition, that not all of them are literally correct.
By the way, dead bodies popping out of the ground spontaneously is not something that I would say could be called a "slight difference" in accounts.
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The Bible is a spiritual book - and Spritually dead people , such as yourself cannot comprehend or accept it. I leave you with this passage, even a dead man can understand it.
Did I go ad hominem on you at some point?
Ad hominem aside, how do you know if I'm spiritually dead or not?
Even I were spiritually dead, is that any way to talk to someone so lost--telling me that I cannot accept or comprehend the Bible because I happen to disagree with your interpretation of it?
How do you know it isn't you who is spiritually dead, and I am not the one who is trying to bring YOU to the faith, the REAL Christianity, the one where you are kind toward others, humble in your approach to things, and patient with those you are trying to counsel? _________________
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
BigTex wrote:
How do you know it isn't you who is spiritually dead, and I am not the one who is trying to bring YOU to the faith, the REAL Christianity, the one where you are kind toward others, humble in your approach to things, and patient with those you are trying to counsel?
That is why I am thankfull you are praying for me Big Tex.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
BigTex wrote:
How do you know it isn't you who is spiritually dead, and I am not the one who is trying to bring YOU to the faith, the REAL Christianity, the one where you are kind toward others, humble in your approach to things, and patient with those you are trying to counsel?
That is why I am thankful you are praying for me Big Tex.
It's just people helping people. _________________
This is a type of policy statement being floated around by Os Guinness and Rick Warren that is stirring up some controversy. I read it all and I think they are right on in much of what they are saying. But I did not like the conclusion where they seemed to be wanting to kindly ask those who oppose the gospel to let the public square be a level playing field where we can all agree to disagree but Christians can still evangelize.
I love the concept!
The Biblical reality is that the Church has never needed the government to protect it, establish it or promote it, and it has never needed to bend it's knee to the world. Do American Christians really believe that their safety comes from their Consitution, the Bill of Rights? Laws are important, and we should advocate strongly for just laws, but can a Christian really advocate for a law that says it is ok to be bhuddist, as long as it remains legal to convert bhuddists to Christianity?
I believe the Lord is going to call forth to Himself in these last days a Bride without spot or wrinkle, and that beautiful Lady will not need the protection of Man's laws since she will be veiled in the power of God himself. Nothing will touch the oil and the wine save by God's divine appointment and for His purpose.
Just wondered what you all thought about that link.
As for how I deal with peak oil, the question I asked earlier. I see it as a driver underneath much of what is written in the Book of Revelation and I see it happening now.
'Just as the Days of Noah were so shall it be when the Son of Man comes. For they were marrying and being given in marriage, partying and making merry right up until the day the flood came and carried them all away.' Jesus
'But you brethren are not sons of darkness that those days should come upon you unawares.' Paul _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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