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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
I don't usually say things so clearly but in this case it's for your own good.
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It is characteristic of those who delude themselves in this manner that they reject anyone's attempt to help them see what they are doing to themselves and others, so I am afraid that continuing to interact with you would be unproductive.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
Praise the Lord !
What sorts of things was Jesus talking about when he mentioned "everything I have commanded you"? As a Christian, what things that Jesus taught do you see as his "commands" which Christians should obey?
You can give these in a list in your own words, if possible.
Start with the most important, to Jesus, if you could. Thanks.
(I see this as sort of a summary of the potential teachings of this thread) _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Your arguments to me always seem to end in a revealing of your own biases and your disdain for those who do not value your opinion as much as you think they should.
So if I express an opinion that is different from your own, that now becomes a bias. There’s a new thought.
You and the rest of the group of four are safely secure, each in your own self constructed reality bubble. From there, we are treated to an array of programmed responses and scriptural quotes, offered as though there is absolutely no question as to their verity.
Now, put yourself in the position of those who read such posts, if you can. Doesn’t it ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, you are all being a tad disdainful of the intellects of the readers? I know it all and you don’t. I’m a believer and you’re not. I am saved and you aren’t. It’s true because I know it’s true. These posts exude an insufferable condescension and patronizing attitude that I find offensive and yes, worthy of disdain themselves.
I don’t give a hoot whether people value my opinions or not. They’re mine after all. I’m not running for office. I’m not trying to convert anyone. If you consider my comments a matter of disdain, then so be it. You’re welcome.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
AT, you really seem to be completely out of it.
Frankly I don't even think that you are Christian. You seem to have a sort of childish delusion that you are "saved" in spite of the arrogant and insensitive things you keep saying, which denote complete lack of insight into who you are and what moves you.
I recommend to you as well that you visit Athos, if they allow you to enter. You can see there what Christianity is about, if you care about truth rather than self-delusion.
You might unwittingly be serving the one you profess to hate. Did you ever consider that ?
Btu
See BTU? ...anti-Christ, in the true easily discerned, even mundane meaning of the term.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
lper100km wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Your arguments to me always seem to end in a revealing of your own biases and your disdain for those who do not value your opinion as much as you think they should.
So if I express an opinion that is different from your own, that now becomes a bias. There’s a new thought.
You and the rest of the group of four are safely secure, each in your own self constructed reality bubble. From there, we are treated to an array of programmed responses and scriptural quotes, offered as though there is absolutely no question as to their verity.
Now, put yourself in the position of those who read such posts, if you can. Doesn’t it ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, you are all being a tad disdainful of the intellects of the readers? I know it all and you don’t. I’m a believer and you’re not. I am saved and you aren’t. It’s true because I know it’s true. These posts exude an insufferable condescension and patronizing attitude that I find offensive and yes, worthy of disdain themselves.
I don’t give a hoot whether people value my opinions or not. They’re mine after all. I’m not running for office. I’m not trying to convert anyone. If you consider my comments a matter of disdain, then so be it. You’re welcome.
I am welcome to view you in whatever way I wish, but I do view you through the message of the Bible. Your intellect will not save you, your wealth if you have any will not save you, your social status will not save you. Nothing you can do will save you.
Only Jesus. Ironically most unbelievers who come against the message of the gospel forget that we all once lived in the world. I did not grow up in a hermetically sealed environment. I know the ways of the world. I know the philosophies of men. I am a mathematician, and a scientist.
My testimony here has always been that the Bible is true because of the evidence one finds when we repent of sin. The problem with debating with most of you here is that you are not at all aware of the blindness that covers your eyes regarding the Bible. you read the Bible in a that is falsely broad.
Name a religion, name a philosophy, name a concept of science and we can discuss it. Your motives are plainly those of someone who does not submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
Until God gives you grace to see your error all we can do is keep preaching the gospel.
'No one an come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.' John 6:44
If you refuse to recognize the authority of Scripture then your completely outside the circle, it's as simple as that. i can give you any number of verses all of which you would reject which confirm that the god of this world is blinding your eyes to the truth.
Until by grace that changes you will continue to walk according to this verse.
'Every way of a man is right in his own eyes.'
That is not some surface thing. It goes right down to the quick of the innermost man. Because you won't even entertain the notion that the Bible is authoritative you cannot become a partaker of it's promises.
Jesus believed in the Scripture in this way,
'But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.' Luke 16:31
You know what you believe and even though most of us once lived just as you do, or in a similar fashion you claim that we do not understand your arguments, are narrow minded, unintellectual,... all of which is a fantasy you are constructing with the help of your father.
All we can do is be faithful to the message and pray for you. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Sounds like we all get the Jesus we deserve. Gandalph, your Jesus will be one mean mother, a carnival barker, using the name of God to punish, or reward. When you go towards the tunnel of light you're likely to be met by a mean spirited spiritual chalk board monitor in a toga, writing down the names of those who dare question the contemptible nonsense that passes for "truth". But He LOVES you. Have fun with cartoon nasty Jesus. You'll have lots of company.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
lper100km wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Your arguments to me always seem to end in a revealing of your own biases and your disdain for those who do not value your opinion as much as you think they should.
So if I express an opinion that is different from your own, that now becomes a bias. There’s a new thought.
You and the rest of the group of four are safely secure, each in your own self constructed reality bubble. From there, we are treated to an array of programmed responses and scriptural quotes, offered as though there is absolutely no question as to their verity.
Now, put yourself in the position of those who read such posts, if you can. Doesn’t it ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, you are all being a tad disdainful of the intellects of the readers? I know it all and you don’t. I’m a believer and you’re not. I am saved and you aren’t. It’s true because I know it’s true. These posts exude an insufferable condescension and patronizing attitude that I find offensive and yes, worthy of disdain themselves.
I don’t give a hoot whether people value my opinions or not. They’re mine after all. I’m not running for office. I’m not trying to convert anyone. If you consider my comments a matter of disdain, then so be it. You’re welcome.
I am welcome to view you in whatever way I wish, but I do view you through the message of the Bible. Your intellect will not save you, your wealth if you have any will not save you, your social status will not save you. Nothing you can do will save you.
Only Jesus. Ironically most unbelievers who come against the message of the gospel forget that we all once lived in the world. I did not grow up in a hermetically sealed environment. I know the ways of the world. I know the philosophies of men. I am a mathematician, and a scientist.
My testimony here has always been that the Bible is true because of the evidence one finds when we repent of sin. The problem with debating with most of you here is that you are not at all aware of the blindness that covers your eyes regarding the Bible. you read the Bible in a that is falsely broad.
Name a religion, name a philosophy, name a concept of science and we can discuss it. Your motives are plainly those of someone who does not submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
Until God gives you grace to see your error all we can do is keep preaching the gospel.
'No one an come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.' John 6:44
If you refuse to recognize the authority of Scripture then your completely outside the circle, it's as simple as that. i can give you any number of verses all of which you would reject which confirm that the god of this world is blinding your eyes to the truth.
Until by grace that changes you will continue to walk according to this verse.
'Every way of a man is right in his own eyes.'
That is not some surface thing. It goes right down to the quick of the innermost man. Because you won't even entertain the notion that the Bible is authoritative you cannot become a partaker of it's promises.
Jesus believed in the Scripture in this way,
'But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.' Luke 16:31
You know what you believe and even though most of us once lived just as you do, or in a similar fashion you claim that we do not understand your arguments, are narrow minded, unintellectual,... all of which is a fantasy you are constructing with the help of your father.
All we can do is be faithful to the message and pray for you.
Go over and try convert some Muslims into your "faith" and your head will end up on a stick.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
On sin: Part 1
I will never preach or teach anything except that in it the Bible is taken as the authoritative and innerrant word of God. That being said let us begin.
'Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.' Romans 5:12
The greek word for sin there is hamartia, this is whee the study of sin gets it's common theological name Hamartiology.
The word means sin, offence. To get the bigger picture you have to look at the root which is hamartano meaning - to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize) to err, to sin, to transgress, to trespass.
'All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' Romans 3:23
It's like Michael Jordan leaping with the ball from the free throw line on a fast break only to come up a few feet short. Only we do not come up just a few feet short we don't even get off the ground.
There is between us and God a great chasm that only the cross of Christ can bridge.
Sin leaves us in this state,
'And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.' Ephesians 2:1,2
So that no Christian might become forgetful Paul then says,
'Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath even as the rest.' Ephesians 2:3
So sin is a state, original sin, that leads all to sin in actual practice and from this comes spiritual death and all of the maladies of this fallen world. Among the children of wrath the prince of the power of the air has his way. To begin to show sin for what it is the commandment(Law) must come. In the next post I will talk a little about that and list sins that are mentioned in the Bible before returning in the third post to show the remedy for sin.
You guessed it, the Biblical Jesus is the answer! _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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