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Cid_Yama
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 Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: After the Warming - James Burke |
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This was my first introduction to Climate Change(historically) and Global Warming, as well as the history of colonialism. In the style of James Burke's Connections series, it is truly excellent. Set in the future, it looks back at the history of Global Warming. Don't let it's age fool you, Burke had it right long before Gore, if perhaps a bit too optimistic.
After the Warming
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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Well, it don't exactly take a great deal of grey matter to work out that this fossil fuel based personalised form of capital accumulation is an unimitigated disaster waiting to happen.
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Cid_Yama
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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Well, actually, back then it did. The only other media back then that I can think of that was as cautionary was Soylent Green (1970) that warned of the collapse of the ocean biosphere with the death of the plankton.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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| Cid_Yama wrote: | | Well, actually, back then it did. The only other media back then that I can think of that was as cautionary was Soylent Green (1970) that warned of the collapse of the ocean biosphere with the death of the plankton. |
What impressed me with Marx's flawless logic in Capital was his compelling view that capitalism would choke in its excesses of manufacturing and consumption (it only takes a little logic to contemplate what those excess might well be)...and that those who unwittingly suffer it's systemic flaws would be at the vanguard of change.
I suspect as this farcical system opens up to its truly bankrupt nature, many of those who lived this so-called middle class delusion will see the truly precarious nature of their existence...and its then the anger will be unleashed.
To all those bonehead greenies (revisionists, liberals, fascist bootlickers) who believe this naturally flawed system is capable of rescue, I extend my unremitting contempt. These fools are no doubt as stupid as the ludicrous ideas they peddle.
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Cid_Yama
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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A word of caution, mate. The word liberal means something totally different in the US. They are the ones that agree with you, the Socialists and Democrats. The Republicans are the Fascists.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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| Cid_Yama wrote: | | A word of caution, mate. The word liberal means something totally different in the US. They are the ones that agree with you, the Socialists and Democrats. The Republicans are the Fascists. |
I'm not entirely sure the current crop of "Socialists" and "Democrats" would agree with the total disbanding of private capital though.
The problem with modern day social democracy/liberalism (including the US variety) is that, with it's Keynesian roots, it inevitably delays the inevitable fall of this rotten system by soft soaping the masses and consequently makes the resulting calamity that much more intractible.
It's one reason Marx preferred a completely free market as a precuror to change as opposed to these band aid schemes. I mean, one has to take a look at the state of the environment to wonder whether there will be anything worth rescuing.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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fixed above link
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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Liberals and fascist bootlickers in the same sentence? I'm somehow doubting Hitler and Stalin got on in the end, as we can see. Just as I don't see the green party sucking up to the Republitards.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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| Cid_Yama wrote: | | Don't let it's age fool you, Burke had it right long before Gore, |
People have been warning of Global Warming for 50 years in film.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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I don't see much difference between the two american parties.
In belgium and a lot of other european countries there also was a shift to the right.
Socialism is dead, they have no worker base and are just plain opportunistic. These parties have no story anymore and adapt to the public opinion which is easy to influence. Our previous minister of defense was a socialist and went to the Al Gore movie (all ministers went, to show they care....pfff) with an army-helicopter. What a dork!
The greens are bourgeosie nitwits. Their chairman did commercials for volvo and they voted for an undemocratic law: an election threshold of 5%. They were electorally punished for this a few years ago.
The rest, together more than 70% of the votes are greedy, hate-mongering populists : liberals (rich free markists), fascists, catholics (they don't know what they are themselves), separatists (part of belgium is french-speaking, part dutch-speaking and a bit german)
So i don't mind putting liberals and bootlicking fascists in the same sentence! Democracy is the way of the money...
i know it's off topic but what the heck.......
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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People have been warning of Global Warming for 50 years in film
Some indians warned us white suckers centuries ago ! |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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| americandream wrote: |
What impressed me with Marx's flawless logic in Capital was his compelling view that capitalism would choke in its excesses of manufacturing and consumption (it only takes a little logic to contemplate what those excess might well be)...and that those who unwittingly suffer it's systemic flaws would be at the vanguard of change.
I suspect as this farcical system opens up to its truly bankrupt nature, many of those who lived this so-called middle class delusion will see the truly precarious nature of their existence...and its then the anger will be unleashed.
To all those bonehead greenies (revisionists, liberals, fascist bootlickers) who believe this naturally flawed system is capable of rescue, I extend my unremitting contempt. These fools are no doubt as stupid as the ludicrous ideas they peddle. |
What exactly do you mean that the greenies have ludicrous ideas...which ideas? Are composting toilets and edible forest gardens stupid ideas?
If you understood the soul demographics of this planet, you would understand that a huge overhaul of the me-first capitalist-industrial paradigm is next to impossible. The non-yuppified greenies are not to blame, there are simply not enough of them to make a difference.
All systemized approaches to governing (Marxism included) are destined to fail. The only real revolution occurs on the individual level...and the action of awakened individuals needs no systemization, just as love for another cannot be taught.
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Cid_Yama
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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edible forest gardens
I'ld forgotten about that. I need to get a book, for my library of useful skills, for after the crash. Any suggestions? Anything that eases the production of food is a big plus in my book, especially if it develops as it's own mini-ecosystem.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: Re: After the Warming - James Burke |
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| Cid_Yama wrote: | | A word of caution, mate. The word liberal means something totally different in the US. They are the ones that agree with you, the Socialists and Democrats. The Republicans are the Fascists. |
No liberal means the same thing here, but libertarians and am radio talk show hosts perverted it's meaning to push their agenda of corporatism. |
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