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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
"One of the saddest things is that the only thing that a man can do for eight hours a day, day after day, is work. You can't eat eight hours a day nor drink for eight hours a day nor make love for eight hours—all you can do for eight hours is work. Which is the reason why man makes himself and everybody else so miserable and unhappy."
—William Faulkner
Alex-doff's hat to W. Faulkner.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
We Brits can spend 8 hours a day moaning about the weather, with the remaining awake hours finding other topics to complain about, energy costs, food costs, moan, groan, whinge, rant.
Our dreams are dry & miserable also.
Bet you Yanks can't beat that record !!!!!!!!!!!
Gasmon _________________ Constantus excrementia et level variatum
Were allways in the sh|t, its only the depth that varies
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
FourOfSwords wrote:
"One of the saddest things is that the only thing that a man can do for eight hours a day, day after day, is work. You can't eat eight hours a day nor drink for eight hours a day nor make love for eight hours—all you can do for eight hours is work. Which is the reason why man makes himself and everybody else so miserable and unhappy."
—William Faulkner
Alex-doff's hat to W. Faulkner.
I forgot about that quote the moment I realised that meditation can be done for 8+ hours, but have tried at most 3 hours. The rest of the day has become "inflitrated" so to speak by meditation... even work isn't a curse now. I like reading, doing techy stuff and planting seeds... which is the work (or study) I've done. _________________ anagami.net
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
FourOfSwords wrote:
RonMN wrote:
Fourofswords Wrote: nor make love for eight hours
Speak for yourself
Always wondered why Minnesotans were always so tired...
...or at least Minnesotans named Ron.
Alex
tantric sex can be practiced for hours and it leaves the practicioners revitalized or energized, not tired. Chakra/kundalini meditation is the basis of it. _________________ anagami.net
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
According to the third chapter of Genesis, being toilers is our deemed position in the scheme of things, our punishment for the original sin of Adam:
"By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread
until you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
you are dust,
and to dust you shall return."
So, when we are toiling, we completing the mission God has set out for us, and should be satisfied with that. I am not depressed about it. I find satisfaction in it. I think that is still preferable to the scheme of things God set out for women, the punishment for Eve's sin:
"To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children"
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
FourOfSwords wrote:
nor drink for eight hours a day
You've never met a British Student like me huh? Not quite as good as RonMN mind _________________ April 2008 Global Population: 6.8 billion
April 2010 Global Population: 7 billion
April 2012 Global Population: 7.2 billion
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
Ludi wrote:
I'm not understanding why you are still cursed if Christ died for your sins....
It's just a story Ludi, keke. Used here to get across the feeling of "We asked for it", some sweet guilt there.
I realized things were effed up when I found out in an anthropology elective that the Dobe Kung (I think) work an average of 24 hours per week and survive, and I haven't seen less than a 50 hour week for years.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
basil_hayden wrote:
Ludi wrote:
I'm not understanding why you are still cursed if Christ died for your sins....
It's just a story Ludi, keke. Used here to get across the feeling of "We asked for it", some sweet guilt there.
I realized things were effed up when I found out in an anthropology elective that the Dobe Kung (I think) work an average of 24 hours per week and survive, and I haven't seen less than a 50 hour week for years.
The !Kung! are pretty wise...as for the rest of us, well...
“It was true that I didn’t have much ambition, but there ought to be a place for people without ambition, I mean a better place than the one usually reserved. How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, crap, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?”
—Charles Bukowski
...but it's a living.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
[quote="Ludi"]I'm not understanding why you are still cursed if Christ died for your sins....
We are not cursed. We are saved. But, the reality is that our willfulness, manifested in so many ways, from sloth to covetousness to sexual excess, is at odds with obedience to God and impairs our conformance with the true spiritual place we should be in to find God's will for us. It is that in turn which leads to happiness. Though it could be argued that many, such as Mother Teresa did not find that happiness on earth, but we expect she has found it now. Its all a bit of mystery, coupled with faith and hope.
The apostle Paul wrote that he did the things he should not, and did not do the things he should. True with us all. Yet, he is among the greatest of all the saints.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
Denny, why are you still being punished for the sin of Adam if you have been saved? Why are you still suffering under the curse of Adam? _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: A View As To Why We Are So Miserable And Unhappy.
Ludi wrote:
Denny, why are you still being punished for the sin of Adam if you have been saved? Why are you still suffering under the curse of Adam?
I guess you'll have to take up that question with the big guy. We were equipped for a paradise but now find ourselves in a world of toil and pain and too often, poverty. So, I am not sure if its a matter of us being willfully punished or a matter that our wills are not conditioned for the circumstances we now find ourselves in, since the banishment from Eden, especially oour vulnerability to the snares of Satan. But, without that sin of Adam, there would be no need for our Christ.
As the Easter vigil prayer goes:
"What good would life have been to us,
had Christ not come as our Redeemer?
Father, how wonderful your care for us!
How boundless your merciful love!
To ransom a slave you gave away your Son.
O happy fault, O necessary sin of Adam,
which gained for us so great a Redeemer!
Most blessed of all nights,
chosen by God to see Christ rising from the dead! "
More on the nature of original sin, from the Catechism of the Catholic Church,
article #407: The consequences of original sin and of all men's personal sins put the world as a whole in the sinful condition aptly described in St. John's expression, "the sin of the world". (Refer to article #300.) This expression can also refer to the negative influence exerted on people by communal situations and social structures that are the fruit of men's sins.
[417] Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin".
[418] As a result of original sin, human nature is weakened in its powers, subject to ignorance, suffering and the domination of death, and inclined to sin (this inclination is called "concupiscence").
[419] "We therefore hold, with the Council of Trent, that original sin is transmitted with human nature, "by propagation, not by imitation"
Now, regarding baptism, while it buys for us the salvific grace, it does not rid us from the effects of sin, the erosion of our wills rooted in original sin:
[1263] By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.
[1264] Yet certain temporal consequences of sin remain in the baptized, such as suffering, illness, death, and such frailties inherent in life as weaknesses of character, and so on, as well as an inclination to sin that Tradition calls concupiscence, or metaphorically, "the tinder for sin" (fomes peccati); since concupiscence "is left for us to wrestle with, it cannot harm those who do not consent but manfully resist it by the grace of Jesus Christ."
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