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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I remember a classmate in middle school dreamt of becoming a truck driver (I'm 21 so this was about 8 years ago when gas was a little more than $1/gallon). While trying to dissuade him out of it, he told me about how they made good money, blah blah. He never really put his best foot forward academically and wasn't a whiz on the streets either so it's likely that trucking is where he ended up. I wonder if he's bragging about his riches now.

Sorry (to you) if I'm not sorry for them for their lack of foresight and willingness to adapt.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Gandalf_the_White wrote:
All of the EU countries have universal healthcare in one form or another, they don't seem ot be going belly up. What problem do we have with allowing 50 million uninsured American's to get a little healthcare?


What's wrong is that America isn't Europe. Everyone here considers themselves a disgraced millionaire. We all think we should be entitled to the BEST of everything. Everyone will demand primo coverage and we'll end up with 80% income tax brackets to pay for it. (Or more likely the whole thing will go belly up the day she leaves office.) The problem with our current system isn't a lack a government meddling. It's that no one wants to live within their means and be satisfied with the healthcare they can afford.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

3aidlillahi wrote:
I remember a classmate in middle school dreamt of becoming a truck driver (I'm 21 so this was about 8 years ago when gas was a little more than $1/gallon). While trying to dissuade him out of it, he told me about how they made good money, blah blah. He never really put his best foot forward academically and wasn't a whiz on the streets either so it's likely that trucking is where he ended up. I wonder if he's bragging about his riches now.

Sorry (to you) if I'm not sorry for them for their lack of foresight and willingness to adapt.


Yeah, well we depend on them. Think about it. Someone has got to clean the shitters at school.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Yeah, well we depend on them. Think about it. Someone has got to clean the shitters at school.


I'm not trashing every low-level worker. I'm talking about these specific idiots who CHOSE their job without doing any independent research and relying only on information handed out by the companies. I'm talking about people who willingly and joyfully accepted these jobs and never did a thing to adapt. I'm not talking about people who have dead-end jobs for other reasons but people who chose their jobs. It's quite incorrect to lump crap-cleaners in with truck drivers, especially this one. We won't run out of crap but we will run out of oil. A little bit of research (or a few moments of thinking) would have revealed that to these people.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Yeah, well we depend on them. Think about it. Someone has got to clean the shitters at school.

I'm not trashing every low-level worker. I'm talking about these specific idiots who CHOSE their job without doing any independent research and relying only on information handed out by the companies. I'm talking about people who willingly and joyfully accepted these jobs and never did a thing to adapt. I'm not talking about people who have dead-end jobs for other reasons but people who chose their jobs. It's quite incorrect to lump crap-cleaners in with truck drivers, especially this one. We won't run out of crap but we will run out of oil. A little bit of research (or a few moments of thinking) would have revealed that to these people.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's a job, that's all. However for a job it is a pretty good one. I wouldn't trade it for a second for most office jobs (unless I was the boss), especially where I work.

The folks in my office get zero respect. I get none either, but I don't see my boss for weeks at a time, answer to no one (I log in and out of our system), can be late a fair bit and no one cares, and get to go home early every day and still get a full day's pay.

I spend most of my day in relatively banal conversation that can be occasionally stimulating and is often funny, and the rest of the time is spent driving, eating and listening to music or the CBC. As for wages I make around 44k/yr on less than 40 hrs a week.

Aside from the low social status and lack of challenge the job isn't too bad at all, is it?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

drew wrote:
It's a job, that's all. However for a job it is a pretty good one. I wouldn't trade it for a second for most office jobs (unless I was the boss), especially where I work.

The folks in my office get zero respect. I get none either, but I don't see my boss for weeks at a time, answer to no one (I log in and out of our system), can be late a fair bit and no one cares, and get to go home early every day and still get a full day's pay.

I spend most of my day in relatively banal conversation that can be occasionally stimulating and is often funny, and the rest of the time is spent driving, eating and listening to music or the CBC. As for wages I make around 44k/yr on less than 40 hrs a week.

Aside from the low social status and lack of challenge the job isn't too bad at all, is it?

Drew


You know kids, The sky's the limit. One thing to keep in mind. That great job in your 20's could really suck when you hit 40.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote







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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Why is this person holding a gas container? Is he giving away free gas? Very Happy
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To bring relief, they are urging Congress to ......... stop exporting oil from Alaska, among other things.

It seems that export restrictions are becoming fashionable these days. First it was rice and now oil, what next?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

RE: The man holding the sign "What comes first? Kids or gas?"

I don't think he wants to know the answer to that question. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Maybe 7.5. More than 9? I don't think so. I just talked to the expert yesterday - trucking broker friend


Maybe you should ask your friend too look across the pond. Because there are definately trucks who can make those numbers.

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Managing Director Paul Sawdon says that the 44 tonne FTG XF105 mid-lift axle tractor - voted ‘International Truck of the Year 2007’ - is returning over 9 mpg from its 12.9 litre MX engine. This uses SCR (selective catalytic reduction) technology to meet Euro 4 emissions standards.

http://www.easier.com/view/Trucks/DAF_News/article-107749.html

And that is not a small truck either. Don't forget now we're paying $8 per gallon of diesel. That is a major driver for engine development.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The brits are very likely using imperial gallons in the claim the xf 105 truck will get 9 mpg.

Using US gallons it would get 7.5

The tech over here in NA isn't that different.

P.S. Canucks used the Imp. Gallon too.

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

For the two of you debating fuel economy in tractor-trailers, you're overlooking one important fact: Europeans run cabovers almost exclusively, and they can get much better mileage. 8 mpg (U.S., not Imperial) is entirely possible in a Freightliner Argosy cabover. Problem is, nobody in America runs cabovers, because it's a rough ride. Our conventional tractors have a smooth ride, with shitty fuel economy, and we're stuck with them.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

perdition79 wrote:
For the two of you debating fuel economy in tractor-trailers, you're overlooking one important fact: Europeans run cabovers almost exclusively, and they can get much better mileage. 8 mpg (U.S., not Imperial) is entirely possible in a Freightliner Argosy cabover. Problem is, nobody in America runs cabovers, because it's a rough ride. Our conventional tractors have a smooth ride, with shitty fuel economy, and we're stuck with them.
I'm not a truck driver so I have no idea what you mean by cabover or conventional.

Is there something else going on here aside from a bumpy ride?
Does a conventional tractor have some other sort of advantage besides comfort?
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: Raw Video: Truckers Protest Fuel Prices in DC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote


Cabover


Conventional.

You're right. I think the cabover vs conventional is the main difference. But it seems that the US drivers are the only ones experiencing this problem. Not only Europe is driving cabovers, but also Russia and much of Asia. Perhaps they value their wallet over their ass.
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