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joeltrout
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 Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| Revi wrote: |
I don't know about that. If they freeze prices or mess with "speculators" we could be looking at shortages any time soon. |
Shortages still means there are supplies, just less and more expensive.
The one good thing about California is we are oil independent from the rest of the US. We only use California oil or imported oil for refining for gas and diesel. No interstate pipelines to my knowledge.
The ranch is only a 16 hour drive anyways and ready to move in. I could be there tomorrow morning if I actually needed to.
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Jenab6
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| wisconsin_cur wrote: | | Keep it simple |
Damn right. A real man's bug out vehicle is designed by Montrail, Merrell, Vasque, or Lowa, with cargo area supplied by The North Face Arc'Teryx, Osprey, or Gregory (now Marmot). Shock absorbers by Smartwool. Fenders by Levi-Stauss. Engine by the Grace of God. |
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| Jenab6 wrote: | | wisconsin_cur wrote: | | Keep it simple |
Damn right. A real man's bug out vehicle is designed by Montrail, Merrell, Vasque, or Lowa, with cargo area supplied by The North Face Arc'Teryx, Osprey, or Gregory (now Marmot). Shock absorbers by Smartwool. Fenders by Levi-Stauss. Engine by the Grace of God. |
Unless you already live in a bug out area that wont get you the heck out of dodge fast enough.
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Jenab6
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| joeltrout wrote: | | Jenab6 wrote: | | wisconsin_cur wrote: | | Keep it simple |
Damn right. A real man's bug out vehicle is designed by Montrail, Merrell, Vasque, or Lowa, with cargo area supplied by The North Face Arc'Teryx, Osprey, or Gregory (now Marmot). Shock absorbers by Smartwool. Fenders by Levi-Stauss. Engine by the Grace of God. |
Unless you already live in a bug out area that wont get you the heck out of dodge fast enough.
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I bugged out in 1998. I've been working through the learning curves for ten years. Got the house in 2000 (a mile from the highway on a local maximum in the topography of a mountain in the WV Alleghenies. Planted an orchard from 2001-3. Water system was augmented and completed in 2004. Defense supplies put away in 2005. Food stocks, increased continuously, are now good for five years plus. And now I'm learning how to forage.
Bugging out is easy. Learning how to live after you have bugged out is a little harder. I hike about 500 miles each year, usually with a backpack, even though my Chevy S-10 runs fine. But one day it won't run any more, and when that happens I'll already be used to walking everywhere. |
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| Jenab6 wrote: |
I bugged out in 1998. I've been working through the learning curves for ten years. Got the house in 2000 (a mile from the highway on a local maximum in the topography of a mountain in the WV Alleghenies. Planted an orchard from 2001-3. Water system was augmented and completed in 2004. Defense supplies put away in 2005. Food stocks, increased continuously, are now good for five years plus. And now I'm learning how to forage.
Bugging out is easy. Learning how to live after you have bugged out is a little harder. I hike about 500 miles each year, usually with a backpack, even though my Chevy S-10 runs fine. But one day it won't run any more, and when that happens I'll already be used to walking everywhere. |
Sounds like you are in the ideal position if problems do happen in the future. No bug-out vehicle required.
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Revi
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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I agree, JoelTrout, you'll have to get out with a car or something. There's no way to get out of a major urban area without one.
It's hard to say what makes sense. I live in Maine and my bug out spot is only accessible by water, so I think I might get a seaworthy boat in the next couple of years. Where we are now can work too, if it doesn't get too crazy.
I think the bug out will be needed only in the event of some kind of natural disaster or terrorist event. Otherwise it will just get slowly worse and worse and you can bug out in a Greyhound bus.
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Ludi
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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Significant natural disasters (flood,tornado,earthquake,snowstorm) are likely to make it impossible to bug out using a vehicle.
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| Ludi wrote: | | Significant natural disasters (flood,tornado,earthquake,snowstorm) are likely to make it impossible to bug out using a vehicle. |
Hence the reason for a 4x4. 
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| joeltrout wrote: |
Hence the reason for a 4x4.
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That's very optimistic!
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| Ludi wrote: | | joeltrout wrote: |
Hence the reason for a 4x4.
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That's very optimistic!
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Natural disasters are very geographically specific meaning they only affect a small area. Obviously if you are in that area it affects you in a major way. I live in southern California and my bug out desitination is southern New Mexico. Nothing besides desert between the two.
The worse thing that could happen is a major earthquake. Unless you are driving on overpasses and cannot use alternate routes like surface streets then it isnt that much of an issue.
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Ludi
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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Oh crap! There's my bug-out vehicle!
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Pops
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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I was in Ventura during the Northridge quake on a job.
There was no power from there to San Luis Obispo.
No power = no gas = equals no truck.
Where is your gauge?
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| Ludi wrote: |
Oh crap! There's my bug-out vehicle! |
What are the chances of that actually happening???
Especially since I live in a 1 story house and park outside.
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Bug-out vehicle |
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| Pops wrote: |
No power = no gas = equals no truck.
Where is your gauge? |
A rule to live by:
Never let you gas gauge go below 3/4 ever.
I do that due to potential earthquake and potential gas spike from major oil disruption.
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