Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Alberta
It's the relationship between equipment and production that throws the denialists off.
It takes only one rig to drill unlimited wells and relatively little material (pipes valves etc.) to finish them off. Then the equipment can leave for a new project.
Whereas each and every future yard of oil sand or rock must have it very own excavator to dig it and truck to cart it--over and over again. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Alberta
TonyPrep wrote:
vampyregirl wrote:
Pstarr you have no idea what you're talking about. Production exceded 1 million bpd two years ago and continues to increase. As new technology is applied to the field. Can you tell me why production is expected to reach 3 million bpd by 2020? Can you tell me what Shell, SunCor and Husky Energy are doing in the field?
The production and rate of extraction has a lot to do with enviromental concerns which have to be taken into consideration. That is the main concern here and it is being addressed.
Production was 1.157 mbpd, in 2007. In round numbers, it's still close to 1 mbpd, and nowhere near 1.5 or 2 mbpd. "Expected to" is not the same as "definitely will", so no explanation of "expected" is needed; perhaps you can ask those who expect it to explain why they expect it? If they could keep up the 2.2% growth experienced last year, they'd only reach just over 1.5 mbpd by 2020. So that 3 mbpd is wishful thinking, for now.
Production hit 1.2 million bpd in 2006. Since then its gone up not down. Now new technologies are coming into play and Husky Energy who have a lot of experience refining heavy crude from there Lloydminster operations are getting in on the act to.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Alberta
pstarr wrote:
TonyPrep wrote:
vampyregirl wrote:
Pstarr you have no idea what you're talking about. Production exceded 1 million bpd two years ago and continues to increase. As new technology is applied to the field. Can you tell me why production is expected to reach 3 million bpd by 2020? Can you tell me what Shell, SunCor and Husky Energy are doing in the field?
The production and rate of extraction has a lot to do with enviromental concerns which have to be taken into consideration. That is the main concern here and it is being addressed.
Production was 1.157 mbpd, in 2007. In round numbers, it's still close to 1 mbpd, and nowhere near 1.5 or 2 mbpd. "Expected to" is not the same as "definitely will", so no explanation of "expected" is needed; perhaps you can ask those who expect it to explain why they expect it? If they could keep up the 2.2% growth experienced last year, they'd only reach just over 1.5 mbpd by 2020. So that 3 mbpd is wishful thinking, for now.
TonyPrep, you should not bore the denialists with facts and figures. That only distracts them from their important life-saving agenda which is to convince everybody that things are just about honkey-dorey
GothGirl, I can tell you just what Shell and the rest will continue to do: repeat endlessly their investor stock-scam public relations spiels that these gunky pools will make someone rich.
Quik GothGirl, buy now! You are almost on the bottom floor of an investment opportunity of a lifetime! Alberta is poised to be the next Saudi Arabia, and erase forever the OPEC stranglehold on the brave American driving public. Don't hestitate! Run for the broker NOW
It has made someone rich. Alberta is the richest province now. The only province that is debt free. Of course you wouldn't know that.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Alberta
vampyregirl wrote:
It has made someone rich. Alberta is the richest province now. The only province that is debt free. Of course you wouldn't know that.
Alberta is debt free largely because Ralph Klein's premiership made huge cuts to education and health care, especially. We're still reeling from that.
Is Alberta rich? Well, there are a lot of big homes here and lots of new trucks and SUV's, but then again, much of this is bought with charge cards and lines of credit from the bank.
Many people in Alberta struggle to pay for a small apartment at over $1000/month, or rent a small home for $2000/month. All utilities and gasoline are expensive here, as is food.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Alberta
WildRose wrote:
vampyregirl wrote:
It has made someone rich. Alberta is the richest province now. The only province that is debt free. Of course you wouldn't know that.
Alberta is debt free largely because Ralph Klein's premiership made huge cuts to education and health care, especially. We're still reeling from that.
Is Alberta rich? Well, there are a lot of big homes here and lots of new trucks and SUV's, but then again, much of this is bought with charge cards and lines of credit from the bank.
Many people in Alberta struggle to pay for a small apartment at over $1000/month, or rent a small home for $2000/month. All utilities and gasoline are expensive here, as is food.
But you're right, someone's making money.
You have a point there. The cost of living here in Alberta is very frickin high compared to Ontario where i'm from.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Alberta
WildRose wrote:
vampyregirl wrote:
It has made someone rich. Alberta is the richest province now. The only province that is debt free. Of course you wouldn't know that.
Alberta is debt free largely because Ralph Klein's premiership made huge cuts to education and health care, especially. We're still reeling from that.
....
Who cares about health and education? That is irrelevant!
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A nationwide survey of nearly 700 people suggests that Americans would prefer more money be invested in technology to solve the nation's energy ailments than to cure cancer or other diseases.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
cube wrote:
WildRose wrote:
vampyregirl wrote:
It has made someone rich. Alberta is the richest province now. The only province that is debt free. Of course you wouldn't know that.
Alberta is debt free largely because Ralph Klein's premiership made huge cuts to education and health care, especially. We're still reeling from that.
....
Who cares about health and education? That is irrelevant!
There was a poll conducted which 'suggested' Americans would rather have the cure for expensive energy rather than the cure for cancer.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A nationwide survey of nearly 700 people suggests that Americans would prefer more money be invested in technology to solve the nation's energy ailments than to cure cancer or other diseases.
And it's probable that if people walked more than drove, they'd be contributing to the cures for both!
So many things have to be considered when evaluating whether a country or province is "rich", I guess that was my point. Quality of life and all. Even quality of death, which apparently sucks in Alberta hospices when one is dying of cancer.
No doubt some will make a fortune from the tar sands, but at what cost to the working poor? the environment? lack of investment in other industries, which will be needed when the whole oil sands circus leaves town?
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
vampyregirl wrote:
Production hit 1.2 million bpd in 2006. Since then its gone up not down.
I didn't say it had gone down, vampyregirl, I said it had gone up to 1.157 mbpd. I got this figure from this article which references numbers from Statistics Canada. Where did you get your 1.2 mbpd number from, and what has it got up to, according to you? And where are the reasoned estimates for 3 mbpd by 2020? Even if your unsubstantiated 1.2 mbpd figure, for 2006, were true, production would have to increase by over 7% per year, to reach 3 mbpd, by 2020.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
TonyPrep wrote:
vampyregirl wrote:
Production hit 1.2 million bpd in 2006. Since then its gone up not down.
I didn't say it had gone down, vampyregirl, I said it had gone up to 1.157 mbpd. I got this figure from this article which references numbers from Statistics Canada. Where did you get your 1.2 mbpd number from, and what has it got up to, according to you? And where are the reasoned estimates for 3 mbpd by 2020? Even if your unsubstantiated 1.2 mbpd figure, for 2006, were true, production would have to increase by over 7% per year, to reach 3 mbpd, by 2020.
Like I said. This stuff does not scale up well. Each additional 200 barrels requires another scoop in the hole by the huge coal-powered dragline, another trip in the diesel-fueled monster truck to the conveyor or train, etc. That's more petroleum, more wear on the truck, more equipment breakdown. It just cost too much to open a new pit.
The profit does not scale up either. The price of crude has gone up 5 times but tar production has only increased fractionally. They really can't justify adding capacity when steel equipment keeps getting more expensive. The Law of Receding Horizons will ensure that a a true sustainable profit will always remain out of reach as long as we have cheaper liquid petroleum to drill and draw upon. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
What would you know Pstarr, you wouldn't know what a Scotford upgrader was if i showed it to you.
You never did answer my question what are Shell, SunCor and Husky doing in the field? If you can't answer that then stay out of this conversation cause you don't belong in it
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
vampyregirl wrote:
What would you know Pstarr, you wouldn't know what a Scotford upgrader was if i showed it to you.
You never did answer my question what are Shell, SunCor and Husky doing in the field? If you can't answer that then stay out of this conversation cause you don't belong in it
A hundred years ago pstarr would have had a little rag where he continually announced no further coal and steel production would be possible because of its inability to scale.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
vampyregirl wrote:
What would you know Pstarr, you wouldn't know what a Scotford upgrader was if i showed it to you.
You never did answer my question what are Shell, SunCor and Husky doing in the field? If you can't answer that then stay out of this conversation cause you don't belong in it
I failed your test? That's a shame. I am not worthy and I couldn't even look in Wikipedia and find out that:
Quote:
"The Shell Scotford Upgrader is an oilsand upgrader, a facility which processes crude bitumen (extra-heavy crude oil) from oil sands into a wide range of synthetic crude oils. etc. etc. etc."
and that
Quote:
"it uses hydrogen addition to convert the bitumen from Shell's Muskeg River Mine in the Athabasca oil sands into refinery-ready sweet, light crude oil. "
and
Quote:
Canada’s own Peak Oil event occurred in 1973, and its natural gas production peaked in 2001,without much notice.
and that without natural gas the sludge in the ground in Alberta will remain sludge in the ground.
But I am not worthy Wait a minute. Who are you anyhow? You do no moderate this forum. You are not Zuul the Gatekeeper? You are only just Gothgirl from Alberta _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
The Basin gas fields in Alberta have not reached peak production yet although the sour gas has. Not that you would even know the difference between the two. Neither you or TonyPrep seem to understand to understand the implications of the new Husky Energy lease here or the new methods being applied to the sands. Come to Alberta sometime and ill give you a tour
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
vampyregirl wrote:
The Basin gas fields in Alberta have not reached peak production yet although the sour gas has. Not that you would even know the difference between the two. Neither you or TonyPrep seem to understand to understand the implications of the new Husky Energy lease here or the new methods being applied to the sands. Come to Alberta sometime and ill give you a tour
I hope that pun was not intended. I do not want you damn vampire curse women And I don't intend on drinking the water even if I do come. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta
pstarr wrote:
vampyregirl wrote:
What would you know Pstarr, you wouldn't know what a Scotford upgrader was if i showed it to you.
You never did answer my question what are Shell, SunCor and Husky doing in the field? If you can't answer that then stay out of this conversation cause you don't belong in it
I failed your test? That's a shame. I am not worthy and I couldn't even look in Wikipedia and find out that:
Ah yes...the source of "expertness" here in the heart of the po community....I just love it when Peter confuses reading wiki for knowing something...its just makes so much sense. _________________ Freddy RULZ!
www.TrendLines.ca/scenarios.htm Home of the Real Peak Date ... set by geologists (not pundits) (or bankers) (or web "experts")
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ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
Wait a minute. Who are you anyhow? You do no moderate this forum. You are not Zuul the Gatekeeper? You are only just Gothgirl from Alberta 
And I don't intend on drinking the water even if I do come.
