How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Surrendering to Hizballah
Nickel wrote:
threadbear wrote:
The irony of all of this is the people who moan the loudest about the cruelty of it, would like to go in there and kill a lot of people in order to save them from it.
And yet we still heard that asinine chorus of "why do they hate us?".
Yep. Those agitating for killing may just get a culling. Hate to sound so mean, but some people are just too stupid/cruel to live.
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Surrendering to Hizballah
the_sword wrote:
Cid,
And BTW, I'm not sure how the Bush administration can be held to account for the backwardness of the Islamic countries and Muslims in general. Seriously though, this group you support wants to enslave people into the barbaric legal system that is Islamic law (Sharia).
What you call 'Barbaric legal system' was in fact a legal system that functioned for a 1000 years. it was a peace treaty that let tens of thousands of different kinds of sects from various religious or linguistics groups to live in peace and dignity. Some choose to forget things now and thats really not Islam's fault.
That being said, such^ mossad disinformation campaign did hold some water before 911 when Israelis lied their policies to the very psyche of Americans or westerners as a whole. Alot has come to the surface since then that neutralize those web of lies.
When CIA assassinates visionaries like Mosadegh or Sheikh Azam and replace them with clowns like Reza Shah or UBL, or is in bed with the most backward Islamic regime (the House of Saud) and is constantly intimidating the most advanced Islamic country, then how the hell you blame the Muslims and not the American govt?
How can you blame Islamic countries for being 'backward' when everything is done, all the rules bent by the west, to keep those countries away from any scientific or technological achievements /developments.
Hezbollah can take over the Lebanese govt without even firing a shot. They havent done so because they are professionals and are not the dummies that Israel is used to breed then exterminate. And yet they are sold to public as terrorists while the pro USraelis militias, the real criminals (the blackwater types) are declared as forces of democracy.
Youtube Halba Massacare and see who and what pro Zionist and the Zionist created forces of democracy really are and stop with your lies and ignorance.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Surrendering to Hizballah
the_sword wrote:
threadbear,
No, I'm just really turned off by someone posting pro-Hizballah propaganda over and over on a website dedicated to peak oil knowing this organization that supports the implementation of an absolutely demonic legal system called Islamic law.
lies lies lies and lies.
Who is the real fanatics/demonics? Hezbollah for beating out the Zionist occupiers or the Zionist occupiers for stealing lands and territories of the neighboring countries and people based on their religion?
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Lebanese Crisis the result of failed Bush plan
According to US Senate Intelligence Committee sources, the Bush administration initially green-lighted the intended May 11 Israel “demonstration of solidarity” with the pro-Bush administration militias. In the end, “the Bush administration got cold feet”, a Congressional source revealed. So did Israel.
Israel was not willing to proceed with the original White House idea which was to have Bush attend the May 15 Israel anniversary celebrations following the Israeli attack meant to hit Hezbollah hard, and give Bush the credit for coming to a dangerous region.
The plan involved Israeli airstrikes on South and West Beirut in support of forces it was assured would be able to surprise and resist Hezbollah and sustain a powerful offensive for 48 hours.
The Hezbollah rout of the militias in West Beirut plus the fear of retaliation on Tel Aviv, ruining the 60th anniversary celebrations, forced cancellation of the supportive attack.
Israel limited its actions to sending two F-15s and two F-16s into Lebanon as far north as Tyre.
The Bush administration, also disappointed, switched tactics and is opting for domination of the narrative of the fairly complicated events of the past week and using their media and allies to launch a media blitz to flood the airways.
Various militias, including the smartly outfitted Hariri “Secure Plus” with its distinctive maroon T-shirts and beige trousers, (now know locally by some as “Secure Minus”) were planning an operation in Lebanon but their plans disintegrated surprisingly quickly because many of its green recruits brought down from Tripoli felt misled and betrayed regarding their job description as they were handed weapons and instructed to fight Hezbollah. Snipers from anti-opposition factions killed civilians from rooftops in Beirut trying to ignite a civil war.
Hezbollah, acting in self-defense, quickly clamped down on the troublemakers, took control of the streets, within hours handed them over to the army, and virtually evacuated West Beirut, retaining one position near Bay Rocks manned by unarmed representatives.
link _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Lebanese Crisis the result of failed Bush plan
It's funny how what happens in brown skinned countries is always the fault of either white people or jews controlling white people. I suppose when gorillas fight at the zoo, it's the fault of the guy who threw the banana in the cage.
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Lebanese Crisis the result of failed Bush plan
kam3Oen wrote:
It's funny how what happens in brown skinned countries is always the fault of either white people or jews controlling white people. I suppose when gorillas fight at the zoo, it's the fault of the guy who threw the banana in the cage.
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Lebanese Crisis the result of failed Bush plan
Quote:
It's funny how what happens in brown skinned countries is always the fault of either white people or jews controlling white people. I suppose when gorillas fight at the zoo, it's the fault of the guy who threw the banana in the cage. Laughing
Yes, but only if the banana thrower is a Jew.
And, as Mel Gibson pointed out, Jews throw a lot of bananas. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Lebanese Crisis the result of failed Bush plan
Fishman wrote:
You can tell its a kid yami post before you even click on it.
You mean by looking an inch to the right at who the author is? _________________ Riches are not from abundance of worldly goods, but from a contented mind.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Lebanese Crisis the result of failed Bush plan
Cashmere wrote:
Quote:
It's funny how what happens in brown skinned countries is always the fault of either white people or jews controlling white people. I suppose when gorillas fight at the zoo, it's the fault of the guy who threw the banana in the cage. Laughing
Yes, but only if the banana thrower is a Jew.
And, as Mel Gibson pointed out, Jews throw a lot of bananas.
Well specially when there is money to be made or land to be stolen...they'd even throw the H-word
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Lebanese Crisis the result of failed Bush plan
kam3Oen wrote:
It's funny how what happens in brown skinned countries is always the fault of either white people or jews controlling white people. I suppose when gorillas fight at the zoo, it's the fault of the guy who threw the banana in the cage.
Its funny when some are caught stealing its always the fault of a psychotic dude that had a funny mustache, lived in a land far far away and long time ago.
I am not old enough to remember if they justified apartheid in SA on WWII during the last throes of the evil oppression and for the sake of few pennies.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Lebanon falls to Hezbollah
Lebanon talks in balance after Qatari proposal spurned
Quote:
Crisis talks between rival Lebanese leaders hung in the balance on Monday after the Hezbollah-led opposition rejected a Qatari proposal aimed at ending a crisis which took Lebanon to the brink of civil war.
The rebuff threatened to derail the talks with government representatives on their third day.
The talks' Qatari hosts had put forward compromise proposals calling for the immediate election of a new president by parliament and the formation of a unity government while postponing discussion of a proposed new electoral law
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